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mark12_30 · 01-26-2003, 11:30 PM

Weighing in again... personally I don't think it's off-topic. Frodo Baggins has impeccably pure vocabulary, and it's a disappointment to see standard college-age trashmouth suddenly erupt from someone I identify closely with Frodo. I'd rather that Frodo rub off on Elijah, rather than see Elijah tarnish the good work he's done portraying Frodo.

In fact it is a pet hope of mine that the Actors who portray these noble characters would actually absorb the mythos that Tolkien worked into the fabric of those characters.

Would I like Viggo Mortenson to become more like The Real Aragorn? Yes. (Please, God?)

Wood as much admitted that he loved the character of Frodo; I wish he had known more of the Real Frodo (who NEVER lies-- What's this "I carry nothing" (To Strider about the Ring-- a lie!) and "There is no other" (to Faramir about Gollum-- a lie!) Those two "fibs" distress me more than any other of the film's departures from the books, I think, because they so tarnish Frodo's incredible integrity. (In my mind, that's a worse "Dirty Mouth" than the bleeped-out four letter words... ) But that's PJ's fault, NOT Elijah's.

I like and enjoy the movies, I have seen TTT six times and will see it yet more times. I am not a movie-basher. But I **hate** that in the movies, PJ put lies in his mouth.

Frodo doesn't lie. He even feels uncomfortable when he misleads Gollum (to save his skin!) by saying that Sam is up waiting on the ledge-- true statement-- he just neglected to mention Faramir and his men. Notice-- no word of a lie; just not the whole truth; and it made Frodo miserable, even though he did it to save Gollum's skin.

Frodo, in addition to being polite, witty, decent, kind, faithful, good, strong, brave, and pure, is also a totally HONEST hobbit. Frodo was not a liar, by any stretch.

Do I think Tolkien would have been horrified at the change, at the insertion of lies into Frodo's dialog? Yes, totally.

Would I like to see Elijah become more like the Real Book Frodo Baggins, including all those characteristics I listed above? Well, yeah, totally. You bet I would.

(Please, God, do it. Go for it.)

[ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

01-26-2003, 11:30 PM	#50
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Weighing in again... personally I don't think it's off-topic. Frodo Baggins has impeccably pure vocabulary, and it's a disappointment to see standard college-age trashmouth suddenly erupt from someone I identify closely with Frodo. I'd rather that Frodo rub off on Elijah, rather than see Elijah tarnish the good work he's done portraying Frodo. In fact it is a pet hope of mine that the Actors who portray these noble characters would actually absorb the mythos that Tolkien worked into the fabric of those characters. Would I like Viggo Mortenson to become more like The Real Aragorn? Yes. (Please, God?) Wood as much admitted that he loved the character of Frodo; I wish he had known more of the Real Frodo (who NEVER lies-- What's this "I carry nothing" (To Strider about the Ring-- a lie!) and "There is no other" (to Faramir about Gollum-- a lie!) Those two "fibs" distress me more than any other of the film's departures from the books, I think, because they so tarnish Frodo's incredible integrity. (In my mind, that's a worse "Dirty Mouth" than the bleeped-out four letter words... ) But that's PJ's fault, NOT Elijah's. I like and enjoy the movies, I have seen TTT six times and will see it yet more times. I am not a movie-basher. But I hate that in the movies, PJ put lies in his mouth. Frodo doesn't lie. He even feels uncomfortable when he misleads Gollum (to save his skin!) by saying that Sam is up waiting on the ledge-- true statement-- he just neglected to mention Faramir and his men. Notice-- no word of a lie; just not the whole truth; and it made Frodo miserable, even though he did it to save Gollum's skin. Frodo, in addition to being polite, witty, decent, kind, faithful, good, strong, brave, and pure, is also a totally HONEST hobbit. Frodo was not a liar, by any stretch. Do I think Tolkien would have been horrified at the change, at the insertion of lies into Frodo's dialog? Yes, totally. Would I like to see Elijah become more like the Real Book Frodo Baggins, including all those characteristics I listed above? Well, yeah, totally. You bet I would. (Please, God, do it. Go for it.) [ January 27, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ] __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.