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Old 07-13-2000, 10:58 AM   #18
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Re: Gandalf and Sauron

beautiful discussion!
I would love to some day explore the idea of how the Catholic Churches own internal debates set some or most of the stage for JRRT's conception of the hierarchy of the Ainur -
but I am afraid it would be almost total speculatioon {unless someone knows of sources of T.'s church readings -that I don't}
as to what he did or didn't know.

however I am reminded of the fact that 2 non-Ainur defeated sauron with the ring.
was not Gandalf with glamdring the &quot;equal &quot; of Elendil and Gil-Galad w/ their respective weapons?
Of course we will neverknow and the point was rightly made earlier
that the istari came not to engage in sraight on confrontations of power - but rather as some would now say-build community . help to restore the essentialy broken links between the differnet racesand lands in a way that a mortal {even a world traveler and Elf- friend such as Aragorn } could not.
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