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Thingol · 01-22-2002, 02:40 PM

You are correct Voronwe that the quote above does not refer to actually freeing Melkor, Sauron is merely describing Melkor to Ar-Pharazôn, convincing him that the Eru does not exist and that the real master is Melkor. Sauron was attempting to convince Ar-Pharazôn that he could actually defeat the Valar and that if he did Melkor would deliver him from the fait of men (death). (Pg. 335-336, Silm) It is true that Sauron is a liar and that the might of Numenor could not conquer the Valar, but can a grain of truth be discerned from Sauron's statements? Also, were does it state the Valar control/guard the Door of Night? All I remember reading is that Earendil guards it. If the Valar do control it then it is doubtful that Sauron could open it. I guess this is all merely speculation, Tolkien never really wrote much about the Door of Night, nor the manner of Melkor’s return, not that I’ve read anyway.

01-22-2002, 02:40 PM	#6
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	You are correct Voronwe that the quote above does not refer to actually freeing Melkor, Sauron is merely describing Melkor to Ar-Pharazôn, convincing him that the Eru does not exist and that the real master is Melkor. Sauron was attempting to convince Ar-Pharazôn that he could actually defeat the Valar and that if he did Melkor would deliver him from the fait of men (death). (Pg. 335-336, Silm) It is true that Sauron is a liar and that the might of Numenor could not conquer the Valar, but can a grain of truth be discerned from Sauron's statements? Also, were does it state the Valar control/guard the Door of Night? All I remember reading is that Earendil guards it. If the Valar do control it then it is doubtful that Sauron could open it. I guess this is all merely speculation, Tolkien never really wrote much about the Door of Night, nor the manner of Melkor’s return, not that I’ve read anyway. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.