Thread: Orcish Fear
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Old 11-06-2000, 12:20 PM   #39
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Re: Orcish Fear

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> by The Black Lieutennant
&quot;What was his final decision on the matter?&quot;<hr></blockquote>
Do you really want to hear this?

Orcs are originally descended from beasts. They later were bred with men.
There are Maia orcs who are the leaders of orc armies and figures of note.
Orcs are not Elves.
The orcs that the Elves met before the arrival of Orome were the beast and Maia breeds/versions.
After the awakening of Men very shortly afterward, the interbreeding of Beast and Man began.

He still holds that orcs need to be controlled by strength of will, but maintains the idea that they could funtion without it. He refers to a passage in LOTR where Sauron upon discovering the Ring at Mt. Doom concentrates all of his thought there, and that his armies were steerless and befert of will. However he maintains that only a small portion of the orcs were held in this thrall in Beleriand, as it required vast amounts of expenditures of will. This is tied to the concept that the armies of Sauron in the Third Age were forgotten after Frodo and the Ring declared itself/themselves and as to why the Ring was able to get so far into Mordor due to the vast amounts of concentration needed for his armies.

He maintains that it was Sauron, not Melkor who truly devised the orcs; but acknowledges that the idea originated from Melkor.

This is the final view held. He expands upon the will/thralldom aspect a little more, but this is the answer you requested.

Again; believe what you will.

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