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***Mithadan*** · 10-04-2000, 09:31 AM

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Re: Orcish Fear

To get back on topic, a post I just made under Books reminded me of something applicable to Saulotus' first post in the thread. S. points out that if orcs are corrupted elves, then, upon death (and lots of them died) they would return to Mandos (unless they reject the summons which is also a possibility) to think, repent, heal themselves, and ultimately rebuild their Hroar. Howver the body would still be that of an orc, its the only body they would recall. Excellent logic and application of theory to facts!

However, JRRT says that orcs are "Morgoth's greatest Sins, abuses of his highest privilege, and would be creatures begotten of Sin, and naturally bad (I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far..." Letters, #153. The idea that orcs could not be "cured" by a stay in Mandos runs contrary to JRRT's view that they, and indeed any evil entity are not "irredeemable".

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

10-04-2000, 09:31 AM	#21
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 152</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear To get back on topic, a post I just made under Books reminded me of something applicable to Saulotus' first post in the thread. S. points out that if orcs are corrupted elves, then, upon death (and lots of them died) they would return to Mandos (unless they reject the summons which is also a possibility) to think, repent, heal themselves, and ultimately rebuild their Hroar. Howver the body would still be that of an orc, its the only body they would recall. Excellent logic and application of theory to facts! However, JRRT says that orcs are "Morgoth's greatest Sins, abuses of his highest privilege, and would be creatures begotten of Sin, and naturally bad (I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far..." Letters, #153. The idea that orcs could not be "cured" by a stay in Mandos runs contrary to JRRT's view that they, and indeed any evil entity are not "irredeemable". --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.