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***Mithadan*** · 09-27-2000, 02:05 PM

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Re: Orcish Fear

Excellent points about Hroa/Fea and interbreeding. I never thought of that. I recognize that JRRT grew to dislike corrupted elves as orcs, but men as orcs screws up the timeline (orcs appeared before men awoke in the Sil., which could have been changed if JRRT ever got around to it). Also there's the "bad old times" conversation between Gorbag and Shagrat which seems to refer to either the seige of Barad Dur or even of Angband. Different origins works though. The captain of the orcs during the First Age was supposed to be a Maia (Baldog I think his name was).

Mithadan
The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 9/27/00 4:07:05 pm

09-27-2000, 02:05 PM	#3
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,325	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 102</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear Excellent points about Hroa/Fea and interbreeding. I never thought of that. I recognize that JRRT grew to dislike corrupted elves as orcs, but men as orcs screws up the timeline (orcs appeared before men awoke in the Sil., which could have been changed if JRRT ever got around to it). Also there's the "bad old times" conversation between Gorbag and Shagrat which seems to refer to either the seige of Barad Dur or even of Angband. Different origins works though. The captain of the orcs during the First Age was supposed to be a Maia (Baldog I think his name was). Mithadan The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 9/27/00 4:07:05 pm __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.