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Re: Nested implications
Tan-Elenion claims:<blockquote>
Quote:<hr> The Sindar are, by definition, Moriquendi (save Thingol). Celeborn as Teleporno and any Teleri who accompanied him would by definition be Kalaquendi.<hr></blockquote>Yes, and no.
In "Quendi and Eldar", under
Quena 2:<blockquote>
Quote:<hr> *****In the period of Exile the Ñoldor modified their use of these terms, which was offensive to the Sindar.
Kalaquendi went out of use, exept in written Ñoldorin lore.
Moriquendri was now applied to all other Elves, except the Ñoldor and Sindar, that is to Avari or to any kind of Elves that at the time of the coming of the Ñoldor had not long dwelt in Beleriand and were not subjects of Elwë. It was never applied, however, to any but Elvish people. The old distinction, when made, was represented by the new terms
Amanyar 'those of Aman', and
Úamanyar or
Úmanyar 'those not of Aman', beside the longer forms
Amaneldi and
Úmaneldi.<hr></blockquote>Teleporno and his male companions would be counted among the Sindar, with whom they dwelt and among whom at least Teleporno had close kin, yet be recognized also as Amanyar.
This is all moot as far as any actions that must be taken, in that the story must be rejected for the purposes of this project for other reasons, but I think important to methodology. If an apparent contradiction between two texts can be reconciled without making a change or having to choose between them, then there is no contradiction. Or to put it another way, if the only problem between the story of Teleporno's birth outside of Middle-earth and his separate voyage from Aman in material published during Tolkien's lifetime was the sngle RGEO reference to Celeborn as "one of the
Sindar", then both could be accepted with minimal tension recognized between them.
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