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Re: Nested implications
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This passage and others from "Quendi and Eldar" appear to be the origin of Christopher Tolkien's entry on Sindar in the index to the published Silmarillion which says the same thing with unimportantl differences in wording.
Therefore, by definition, any Teleri who accompanied Galadriel to Beleriand, arriving before the Noldor, and "that the Ñoldor found in Beleriand" are reckoned as Sindar, and Celeborn is just as much one of the Sindar as he is in The Lord of the Rings.
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As you point out this is 'forced'. 'Quendi and Eldar' was by defintion written before JRRT wrote of the possibility of there being some Amanyar Teleri in Beleriand (Q&E ca 1959) or considered changing Celeborn's parentage. The Sindar are, by definition, Moriquendi (save Thingol). Celeborn as Teleporno and any Teleri who accompanied him would by definition be Kalaquendi.
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The cousin relationship is a separate issue and I've dealt with possible solutions in the previous post. Just changing "grandson of Olwë" to "kinsman of Olwë" would do.
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This however changes the essence of what was written. Celeborn as Teleporno was not just a kinsman of Olwe. He was Olwe's grandson.
The problems with attempting to incorporte this late version are several.
Galadriel leaving seperately from the Noldor is not entirely in keeping with the published LotR (though not refuted by it). It is directly refuted by RGEO. If the account as relayed in RGEO is going to be taken as canon since JRRT saw fit to publish it in his lifetime, then there is no reason to have a Teleporno version as JRRT did not write of the Teleri accompaning the Noldor, and having Teleporno leave seperately from Galadriel is overly forced. Teleporno is not quite in keeping with LotR (why would the Telerin Elf Teleporno remain behind when Galadriel left).
The simpler course is take the published RGEO as canon. This is in keeping with the LotR and does not involve major rewriting of the canon. Using the late version contradicts the published canon, is not in keeping with LotR and would force a rewritting of itself (kinsman/grandson).
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