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Re: canon and Celeborn
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Lindil writes:
what is problematic is that JRRT did make some radical [if sometimes subtle ] changes over the years and that he may well have intended to fully carry out a Myth's Transformed and new Galadriel/Celeborn overhaul of the LotR but can anyone else? Even RT would not consider it an option I think. So in the end it seems we are left w/ reconciling things to the LotR as the least problematic solution.
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I think you are correct here.
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Celebrimbor as a Sinda seems a little funny- when were the Sinda known for craftsmanship?
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The Teleri were noted silversmiths and esteemed as such even by the Noldor (see UT). PoME has a variant where Celebrimbor is a Teler (one of three who went with Celeborn/Teleporno into exile).
Eol as a Sinda was an excellent craftsman.
The Sindar were also noted as shipbuilders.
Menegroth was built by Dwarves and the Sindar.
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As does Gil-Galad coming from the house of Finarfin which involves switching the high-kingship [what remained of it] to yet another house. wonder if Celebrimbor's founding of Eregion was a protest ,vote w/ your feet sort of move - or if they just wanted out of Lindon and thought Durin'ss folk would make the best neighbors?
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One theory on Gil-galad being from the House of Finarfin is that it would make him more acceptable to the Sindar. As the son of Orodreth he had a Sindarin mother (and also in one of the variants of him being Finrod's son). This (some suppose) would give him a better claim to being High King of the Elves of the West (in addition to being High King of the Noldor in Exile). (I dont necesarily agree with this, I am just pointing out an alternative viewpoint). It should also be noted that Celebrimbor as son of Curufin repudiated his father and remained in Nargothrond under Orodreth's rule.
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well w/ Galadriel ,it is too bad as the final conception [minus the cousin thing] does seem to fit better - but there def. will be no perfect solutions to the mass of problems raised by the lack of a finished Silmarillion.
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I am curious as to why you think that removing Galadriel from her participation in the revolt fits better? I dont agree myself, I think that in doing so it lessens her character and motivations (and is contradicted by RGEO "[Galadriel] was the last survivor of the princes and queens who had led the revolting Noldor to exile in Middle-earth. After the overthrow of Morgoth... a ban was set on her return, and she had replied proudly that she had no wish to do so"
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A compromise solution, which just occured to me, could be to allow Galadriel to leave Aman seperately but alone - .she would be a sailing a ship alone back to Middle-Earth [?!] or it could be left unsaid.
But keep Celeborn as doriathrim -just excise references to him out of the relevant texts in UT that might appear in"eldanor and the princes of the eldalie" or later 2nd/3rd age Texts.
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The version in which she departed seperately has her sailing with Teleporno and three other Teleri (one of whom is Celebrimbor/Telperimpar (see PoME).
I am not particularly offering suggestions just pointing out various 'facts' (I am interested in seeing your solution, but it is your attempt).
I am also curious if you intend on using the abandoned version wherein Celeborn and Galadriel found and rule the Kingdom of Lorien or the 'later' version where Amdir and Amroth are the foudners and rulers?
Tar-Elenion The High Elves had been in the hands of the gods praising and adoring Eru 'the One', Iluvatar the Father of All on the Mountain of Aman</p>