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**lindil** · 02-05-2001, 04:19 AM

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canon and Celeborn

You are right , the changes being needed to make celeborn telepono are too far reching ,unless one has the goal to change the entire LotR itself. what is problematic is that JRRT did make some radical [if sometimes subtle ] changes over the years and that he may well have intended to fully carry out a Myth's Transformed and new Galadriel/Celeborn overhaul of the LotR but can anyone else? Even RT would not consider it an option I think. So in the end it seems we are left w/ reconciling things to the LotR as the least problematic solution.

Celebrimbor as a Sinda seems a little funny- when were the Sinda known for craftsmanship?
As does Gil-Galad coming from the house of Finarfin which involves switching the high-kingship [what remained of it] to yet another house. wonder if Celebrimbor's founding of Eregion was a protest ,vote w/ your feet sort of move - or if they just wanted out of Lindon and thought Durin'ss folk would make the best neighbors?

well w/ Galadriel ,it is too bad as the final conception [minus the cousin thing] does seem to fit better - but there def. will be no perfect solutions to the mass of problems raised by the lack of a finished Silmarillion.

A compromise solution, which just occured to me, could be to allow Galadriel to leave Aman seperately but alone - .she would be a sailing a ship alone back to Middle-Earth [?!] or it could be left unsaid.
But keep Celeborn as doriathrim -just excise references to him out of the relevant texts in UT that might appear in"eldanor and the princes of the eldalie" or later 2nd/3rd age Texts.

lindil

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02-05-2001, 04:19 AM	#7
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 370</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> canon and Celeborn You are right , the changes being needed to make celeborn telepono are too far reching ,unless one has the goal to change the entire LotR itself. what is problematic is that JRRT did make some radical [if sometimes subtle ] changes over the years and that he may well have intended to fully carry out a Myth's Transformed and new Galadriel/Celeborn overhaul of the LotR but can anyone else? Even RT would not consider it an option I think. So in the end it seems we are left w/ reconciling things to the LotR as the least problematic solution. Celebrimbor as a Sinda seems a little funny- when were the Sinda known for craftsmanship? As does Gil-Galad coming from the house of Finarfin which involves switching the high-kingship [what remained of it] to yet another house. wonder if Celebrimbor's founding of Eregion was a protest ,vote w/ your feet sort of move - or if they just wanted out of Lindon and thought Durin'ss folk would make the best neighbors? well w/ Galadriel ,it is too bad as the final conception [minus the cousin thing] does seem to fit better - but there def. will be no perfect solutions to the mass of problems raised by the lack of a finished Silmarillion. A compromise solution, which just occured to me, could be to allow Galadriel to leave Aman seperately but alone - .she would be a sailing a ship alone back to Middle-Earth [?!] or it could be left unsaid. But keep Celeborn as doriathrim -just excise references to him out of the relevant texts in UT that might appear in"eldanor and the princes of the eldalie" or later 2nd/3rd age Texts. lindil </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.