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Tar Elenion · 02-04-2001, 11:43 AM

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Lindil:
Regarding the reference to 'first cousin marriage' it is said in 'Of Maeglin': "... [Maeglin] loved the beuaty of Idril and desired her, without hope. The Eldar wedded not with kin so near, nor ever before had any desired to do so."
This is also in accordance with the Numenorean laws in 'Akallabeth': "But Pharazon took [Miriel] to wife against her will doing evil in this and evil also in that the laws of Numenor did not permit the marriage, even in the royal house, of those more nearly akin than cousins in the second degree."
These two statements are in keeping with the tradition of the "right ways of the Eldar and Edain" in 'Aldarion and Erendis' (though the circumstance for mentioning similar laws and customs has to do with plural marriage not cousin marriage.
There is to my knowledge nothing indicating that JRRT recalled this prohibition at this late stage. CT seems to indicate, in the 'History of Galadriel and Celeborn', this as well.

I am not sure how Letter 347 reconciles the Celeborn problem. Letter 347 was written at about the same time the similar passages found in UT were written. The problem with Galadriel and Teleporno being first cousins is minor compared with the statements found in LotR which make Celeborn a Sinda of Beleriand and especially in 'The Road Goes Ever On' (RGEO) in which when JRRT wrote of some of the history of Celeborn and Galadriel he specifically stated that Celeborn was one of the Sindar. RGEO also adds a problem to the (late) conception of Galadriel being seperate from the rebelling Noldor. It specifically states that she was one of the leaders of the revolt and under the Ban. RGEO was published by JRRT well before his death with copywrites of 1962 and 1967.

Tar-Elenion The High Elves had been in the hands of the gods praising and adoring Eru 'the One', Iluvatar the Father of All on the Mountain of Aman</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000211>Tar Elenion</A> at: 2/4/01 5:05:38 pm

02-04-2001, 11:43 AM	#4
Tar Elenion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 359	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 45</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: the package has arrived! Lindil: Regarding the reference to 'first cousin marriage' it is said in 'Of Maeglin': "... [Maeglin] loved the beuaty of Idril and desired her, without hope. The Eldar wedded not with kin so near, nor ever before had any desired to do so." This is also in accordance with the Numenorean laws in 'Akallabeth': "But Pharazon took [Miriel] to wife against her will doing evil in this and evil also in that the laws of Numenor did not permit the marriage, even in the royal house, of those more nearly akin than cousins in the second degree." These two statements are in keeping with the tradition of the "right ways of the Eldar and Edain" in 'Aldarion and Erendis' (though the circumstance for mentioning similar laws and customs has to do with plural marriage not cousin marriage. There is to my knowledge nothing indicating that JRRT recalled this prohibition at this late stage. CT seems to indicate, in the 'History of Galadriel and Celeborn', this as well. I am not sure how Letter 347 reconciles the Celeborn problem. Letter 347 was written at about the same time the similar passages found in UT were written. The problem with Galadriel and Teleporno being first cousins is minor compared with the statements found in LotR which make Celeborn a Sinda of Beleriand and especially in 'The Road Goes Ever On' (RGEO) in which when JRRT wrote of some of the history of Celeborn and Galadriel he specifically stated that Celeborn was one of the Sindar. RGEO also adds a problem to the (late) conception of Galadriel being seperate from the rebelling Noldor. It specifically states that she was one of the leaders of the revolt and under the Ban. RGEO was published by JRRT well before his death with copywrites of 1962 and 1967. Tar-Elenion The High Elves had been in the hands of the gods praising and adoring Eru 'the One', Iluvatar the Father of All on the Mountain of Aman</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000211>Tar Elenion</A> at: 2/4/01 5:05:38 pm __________________ Tar-Elenion