..I must add that in one account of the origin of the Istari...not sure which book it's in...pretty sure it's UT...
...the Vala (i'm tired and can't rightley remember what they are called) see the Sarumans Ring thread to find out why) are gathering the Istari, Saruman is of Aules people and Aule wanted to make him chief of the Istari but Manwe selected Olorion to go, and Allatar was also selected, and after it was stated that Olorion would be the third ( for he was selected last) Manwe's wife said " no not third ", it is said that this did not escape the notice of Saruman...
... this statement could be seen as stating that Olorion deserved a better placing in the Istari than third...
...thats if you take the numbering of Istari to be a description of there power...
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