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Bill Ferny · 11-04-2002, 10:10 AM

This discussion reminds me of Saint Augustine, who definitely changed his mind numerous times and on numerous subjects. However, the fact that Augustine changed his mind in later life as regards free will and predestination didn't make his later conclusions correct!

There is merit in tackling the former ideas of thinkers, even though they change their mind. From a speculative stand point there is certianly nothing wrong with the conjecture that orcs were derived from elves. The fact that this theory is derived from Tolkien, himself, indicates that it is at least in the spirit of Tolkien, and still deserves a hearing.

The essential nature of orcs, as the antithesis of elves, as well stated above, does not change whether they are derived from elves or not. The fact that they are a corruption does not change either.

From the essential nature of orcs, as the antithesis of elves, it should be apparent that orcs are not immortal. The origins of orcs is margin gloss to the whole discussion.

[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Bill Ferny ]

11-04-2002, 10:10 AM	#34
Bill Ferny Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bree Posts: 390	This discussion reminds me of Saint Augustine, who definitely changed his mind numerous times and on numerous subjects. However, the fact that Augustine changed his mind in later life as regards free will and predestination didn't make his later conclusions correct! There is merit in tackling the former ideas of thinkers, even though they change their mind. From a speculative stand point there is certianly nothing wrong with the conjecture that orcs were derived from elves. The fact that this theory is derived from Tolkien, himself, indicates that it is at least in the spirit of Tolkien, and still deserves a hearing. The essential nature of orcs, as the antithesis of elves, as well stated above, does not change whether they are derived from elves or not. The fact that they are a corruption does not change either. From the essential nature of orcs, as the antithesis of elves, it should be apparent that orcs are not immortal. The origins of orcs is margin gloss to the whole discussion. [ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Bill Ferny ] __________________ I prefer Gillaume d’Férny, connoisseur of fine fruit.