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Man-of-the-Wold · 10-27-2002, 11:14 AM

Well, I think it is reasonable to assume that Arwen's maternal grandparents nowhere had Elrond's reservations about Aragorn & Arwen. Again, as I point out elsewhere, Elrond's reservations themselves were not in any way strictly or even primarily personal, nor negative towards Aragorn, whom he truly loved and respected, and he also wanted him to fulfill the promise of Elendil.

As I noted lately, his reservations, had as much to do with the complications of Arwen's mortality, relative to when he (Elrond) would or must leave Middle-Earth, respective to the rise of Sauron. And the need for the King to Return, if Sauron was to be vanquished. Also, her mortality was not simply triggered my matrimony with a mortal, but would that be moral, if she did lived on, pending Elrond's departure to Eldamar?

The Crown of Arnor & Gondor was not a challenge to Aragorn, as was Beren's quest for Thingol, who later recanted it, but a careful considered criterion relative to the properness of the coupling and to Arwen's lofty lineage, which eventually was a great concern for Beren (Elrond's great-grandfather).

Still, it was Elrond's part, and I don't think Galadriel would interfere actively. But perhaps on Aragorn's return to Lothlorien that first time she played a passive role consistent with what she no doubt comprehended, through possibly several sources, the Mirror and Arwen's heart not least of all. Remember, she could see much that was seen and unseen, and was not tied to chronology is a simple way, and may have been setting a stage which had to play out. Also, she probably knew both Luthien and Beren.

Finally, I think this is all very consistent with the Elfstone. Regardless of whether it came through Celebrimbor or Gandalf, or played a role in Galadriel's Second-Age strength in defending Lothlorien, it was Aragorn's ultimate namesake, and a gift to him from Arwen through Galadriel.

Destiny weaves it way through these stories.

[ October 27, 2002: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ]

10-27-2002, 11:14 AM	#6
Man-of-the-Wold Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: With Tux, dread poodle of Pinnath Galin Posts: 239	Well, I think it is reasonable to assume that Arwen's maternal grandparents nowhere had Elrond's reservations about Aragorn & Arwen. Again, as I point out elsewhere, Elrond's reservations themselves were not in any way strictly or even primarily personal, nor negative towards Aragorn, whom he truly loved and respected, and he also wanted him to fulfill the promise of Elendil. As I noted lately, his reservations, had as much to do with the complications of Arwen's mortality, relative to when he (Elrond) would or must leave Middle-Earth, respective to the rise of Sauron. And the need for the King to Return, if Sauron was to be vanquished. Also, her mortality was not simply triggered my matrimony with a mortal, but would that be moral, if she did lived on, pending Elrond's departure to Eldamar? The Crown of Arnor & Gondor was not a challenge to Aragorn, as was Beren's quest for Thingol, who later recanted it, but a careful considered criterion relative to the properness of the coupling and to Arwen's lofty lineage, which eventually was a great concern for Beren (Elrond's great-grandfather). Still, it was Elrond's part, and I don't think Galadriel would interfere actively. But perhaps on Aragorn's return to Lothlorien that first time she played a passive role consistent with what she no doubt comprehended, through possibly several sources, the Mirror and Arwen's heart not least of all. Remember, she could see much that was seen and unseen, and was not tied to chronology is a simple way, and may have been setting a stage which had to play out. Also, she probably knew both Luthien and Beren. Finally, I think this is all very consistent with the Elfstone. Regardless of whether it came through Celebrimbor or Gandalf, or played a role in Galadriel's Second-Age strength in defending Lothlorien, it was Aragorn's ultimate namesake, and a gift to him from Arwen through Galadriel. Destiny weaves it way through these stories. [ October 27, 2002: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ] __________________ The hoes unrecked in the fields were flung, __ and fallen ladders in the long grass lay __ of the lush orchards; every tree there turned __ its tangled head and eyed them secretly, __ and the ears listened of the nodding grasses; __ though noontide glowed on land and leaf, __ their limbs were chilled.