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Forum: The Books 11-30-2005, 07:04 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Pipe As I said, I consider that these types of poll...

As I said, I consider that these types of poll can be of value, but that there value will depend upon the size and nature of the sample. And you are quite right. I should also have included the...
Forum: The Books 11-30-2005, 12:39 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
White-Hand I would have to disagree. They provide, at a...

I would have to disagree. They provide, at a glance, the (stated) opinions of those polled, in this case a reasonably sized cross-section of Barrow-Downers.

You can make of such opinions what you...
Forum: The Books 11-30-2005, 11:06 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
All aboard the Canonicity Express!

Now boreding at a platforum near you (again) ...

Hmm. A recent opinion poll (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12035&page=1) suggests otherwise. :p
Forum: The Books 11-29-2005, 05:47 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
White-Hand Hold the front pages!

Well I do declare! It appears that davem is arguing in support of the reader's freedom to intepret, as against the primacy of authorial intention ... :eek:

:p :D
Forum: The Books 11-20-2005, 07:46 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Silmaril ... and "Acts of God"? But you are right. ...

... and "Acts of God"?

But you are right. This takes us off topic (albeit by an interesting route). My point was merely to illustrate the point that Formendacil has picked up on.

Bingo!
...
Forum: The Books 11-20-2005, 07:13 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Question But why should some have to suffer, or suffer...

But why should some have to suffer, or suffer more, than others? Because they are more in need of spiritual development? Why was Frodo chosen for the Quest and not Merry or Pippin, or Rosie Cotton?...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 01:07 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Silmaril Fair 'nuff. :D Although, given the success...

Fair 'nuff. :D

Although, given the success of The Hobbit, he must have had some conception while writing LotR that it would attract a modest readership, at the very least, and that this would...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 01:02 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Question Agreed. But why would Tolkien not apply the...

Agreed.

But why would Tolkien not apply the same considerations that you set out at 1 to 4 in your post equally to the Silmarillion? While writing LotR, he anticipated his Silmarillion stories...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 12:40 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Question :confused: :p ;)

:confused:

:p ;)
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 12:03 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Tolkien So he only ever contemplated Christians reading...

So he only ever contemplated Christians reading his tales? Or did he expect non-Christian readers to accept his "version" of God and thus draw nothing from it relevant to their own beliefs? Is this...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 11:12 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Boots Too many edits above already ...

Of course, that brings up the question of what the purpose of a Tolkien-related discussion forum is. Is it solely to further our understanding of Tolkien and his works? Or can it also serve to...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 11:04 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
White-Hand No. The question (as clarified) was "Is Eru, in...

No. The question (as clarified) was "Is Eru, in your opinion, God"? Fordim went on to reason that, if one believes that Eru is God, then the moral "rules" of Middle-earth must be Christian. In my...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 09:51 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Silmaril But surely there is merit in discussing both how...

But surely there is merit in discussing both how Tolkien's portrayal of Eru affects our own personal spiritual beliefs and how such personal beliefs affect our response to Eru and, in many ways...
Forum: The Books 11-18-2005, 04:07 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Silmaril Fea and Esty have already made the point, but...

Fea and Esty have already made the point, but just to reiterate the clarification which I extracted from Fordim:



I would disagree. The reader can, of course, interpret Eru on the basis of...
Forum: The Books 11-17-2005, 10:14 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Pipe OK, I shall rephrase the implication which may be...

OK, I shall rephrase the implication which may be validly drawn from your words:

:p

And what's with the Capitalisation of the "Few"?

Dang! This tangent has the capacity to tie me up for...
Forum: The Books 11-17-2005, 01:04 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Boots Actually, I wilfully ignored him (as you did the...

Actually, I wilfully ignored him (as you did the C-thread :p ) because you had the germ of a valid point. A person might very well be incapable of consciously recognising the applicability of...
Forum: The Books 11-17-2005, 12:31 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Question Eh? Are you suggesting that I am not able to...

Eh? Are you suggesting that I am not able to make a correct evaluation of the applicability of a text, or a character in it, to my own life?

Oops. Two cans of worms, having been duly opened by...
Forum: The Books 11-17-2005, 12:09 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
White-Hand OK, a vote ...

Superbly put, Fea, if I may say so. Now that Fordim has clarified the question, I am sorely tempted to plead agnosticism, follow Fea's lead and answer with a resounding "don't know".

But, since...
Forum: The Books 11-17-2005, 03:34 AM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
Question How can I vote when you have not sufficiently...

How can I vote when you have not sufficiently explained which question I am answering? :p
Forum: The Books 11-16-2005, 07:23 PM
Replies: 262
Poll: Is Eru God?
Views: 64,770
Posted By The Saucepan Man
White-Hand Is Eru God? No, of course not. He is a...

Is Eru God?

No, of course not. He is a fictional character created by Tolkien as the God of fictional peoples. God in our world (whether He exists or not) is a God of real peoples.

Did...
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