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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 03-21-2003, 02:01 PM
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Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Has anyone caught a glimpse lately?

Has anyone caught a glimpse lately?
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-23-2002, 07:17 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Okay. But I'm glad of the signposts. I'll snoop...

Okay. But I'm glad of the signposts. I'll snoop thru the thread a little, and wait. Thanks.
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-22-2002, 08:45 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting lmp, when you're ready, tell us, where do we find...

lmp, when you're ready, tell us, where do we find the rest of "The Incarnate Dream"?
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-22-2002, 07:54 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting **standing ovation for mr underhill** I've...

**standing ovation for mr underhill**

I've been wondering why "euc". Does he spell that out in the essay? or worse, the letters?... (Blushes)

euc => eucharist-- that's huge. Having communion...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-22-2002, 03:59 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Belin, You mentioned lmp's choice of...

Belin,

You mentioned lmp's choice of Boromir's death as a eucatastrophe and then replied
One, I really liked your analysis and hadn't thought Pippin's actions through that far before; and...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-22-2002, 03:49 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Oops, cross-posting with Sharon again. ...

Oops, cross-posting with Sharon again.

Sharon, you've hit on one of my favorite concepts of "goal in life"-- fulfilling, aka not missing out on, one's design and destiny. How disappointing to...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-22-2002, 11:06 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting lmp, One could argue that Frodo prophesied...

lmp,

One could argue that Frodo prophesied with paper and pen rather than crying in the town square or on the hillside. It is one method. And many prophets recorded, not just what would be, but...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-21-2002, 11:38 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Maril, I tried to say both were valid,...

Maril,


I tried to say both were valid, was I unclear? Sorry;

Good point, Maril. And your point about Sam's backbreaking-- yet in the end, "insufficient"-- labor is well taken.

I...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-20-2002, 09:51 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting lmp, Fascinating question; I've often...

lmp,


Fascinating question; I've often wondered what people are referrring to when they use the word "wonder", and felt a bit left out! Maybe I'm not after all. That would be nice.


...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-20-2002, 06:34 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Kuruharan, littlemanpoet, Squatter,...

Kuruharan, littlemanpoet, Squatter, Marilangesundheitimaluim, and Rimbaud,

This all brings me around to take a harder look at the various definitions of eucatastrophe, and re-promise myself to...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-19-2002, 09:02 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Maril, about Catharsis. First, my primary...

Maril, about Catharsis.

First, my primary association with the word is with the sense of release of tension involved. But I'd like to work with your definition for a bit.

(I hope this...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-19-2002, 03:54 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Well, lmp, I guess I'll have to reread On Fairy...

Well, lmp, I guess I'll have to reread On Fairy Stories again, and look at that definition more closely. In terms of the definition above, however:


Personally, I can't imagine that each...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-19-2002, 11:04 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Lindil, Regarding Aragorn's marriage, I...

Lindil,

Regarding Aragorn's marriage, I agree wholeheartedly with all your points. And I don't mean to imply that he was arrogant, grasping, or ... whatever. But I do think there must have been...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-18-2002, 06:45 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting I'm finding myself wondering how many definitions...

I'm finding myself wondering how many definitions of eucatastrophe there are. Here's what i started with at the top of the thread:




The main thing I get out of this is the "glimpse of...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-17-2002, 07:06 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Okay, Kuruharan, I can see that. I'm almost more...

Okay, Kuruharan, I can see that. I'm almost more concerned with the stuff that points forwards to the event than the event itself, because dreams, visions, prophesies etc tell us so much about...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-16-2002, 02:22 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting All right, Kuruharan, I see your point, and I...

All right, Kuruharan, I see your point, and I agree that formula should be avoided and would lessen the suprise quality of the eucatastrophe.

However, does that mean that one eucatastrophe must...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-16-2002, 09:40 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Perhaps you could expand/ explain your question...

Perhaps you could expand/ explain your question so that it makes sense to me. I'm a bit thick.

My initial reaction is, that part of eucatastrophe is that it is a glimpse into the eternal, into...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-15-2002, 09:37 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting I think so. Tolkien said, "never to be counted...

I think so. Tolkien said, "never to be counted on to recur". He didn't say that it couldn't recur. And I find that some do recur, for me, several times, sometimes deeper and more piercing every...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-15-2002, 08:28 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Good point, Mr. Underhill. Sam is a steady...

Good point, Mr. Underhill. Sam is a steady eucatastrophe-producer. ("Eucer"?)

I picked up Smith of Wooton Major last night and about got euc'ed to peices in Faery-land. I sure didn't get that...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 08-11-2002, 08:15 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Selfishness and Altruism uniting in love: In one...

Selfishness and Altruism uniting in love: In one of my favorite chapters, "A Conspiracy Unmasked". Pippin, Merry, and Sam decide to go with Frodo-- wherever and intro whatever he goes-- because he...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 07-25-2002, 05:45 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting Selfishness and Altruism lost in Love: to me the...

Selfishness and Altruism lost in Love: to me the embodiment of this one is Aragorn. To oversimplify: He (selfishly) wants Arwen badly enough to (altruistically) roam the countryside protecting...
Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin 07-21-2002, 08:01 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 70,238
Posted By mark12_30
Sting eucatastrophe: piercing joy that brings tears

From letter 89 by Tolkien:
"... I coined the word 'eucatastrophe': the sudden happy turn in a story which pierces you with a joy that brings tears (which I argued it is the highest function of...
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