Which Faramir is best? Book or Movie?
 

First things first: NO ARUEING, FIGHTING, AND ABSOLUTLY NO TALKING ABOUT 'HOW TERRIBLE THE MOVIE FARAMIR IS' (I put that in to appease Noxumanus, who's post is down from mine about it). Pleeaase. I haven't started this to cause fights, I just want to no your opinion. So, WITHOUT any expaination (maybe 1-1.5 lines if you MUST), answer this question: Which Faramir did you prefer, the Book Faramir, or the Movie Faramir? Please don't take up a bunch of lines just to say you don't know. If you truly can't decide just put this: Undecided. I'll post the 'results' (as I always do) in about 2 weeks-1 month, depending on this threads popularity. <B>My vote goes to the Book Faramir.</B> <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Please,don't ever start a thread like this again.Now everyone will tell us again why movie Faramir sucked,you know what they will answer so don't ask.

Noxomanus: Sorry, but there's a legitement enough number that likes BOTH versions of Faramir to warrant this topic. And I said in my original post that there WILL BE NO ARGUING, if that's not clear enough I don't know what is. Proceed. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here. But it's not really comparing like with like, for they are really two different characters in two different stories. Book Faramir is a wonderful character within the context of the Books. But I believe (for the reasons explained <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002188" TARGET=_blank>on this Faramir thread</A>) that Film Faramir works well within the context of the Films.<P>So, that's a vote for each from me.

This is possibly the worst place to ask that question. =P<P>Book Faramir, o'course.

Personally, I cannot fathom choosing the movie Faramir, so my answer is Book, resoundingly.

Unquestionably, Book Faramir

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True. But a lot of that flak comes from adament Faramir Movie dis-likers (I'm being nice ), like me & others. Anyway, I thought it'd be nice to get some straight answers from people on the subject, hopefully without all the ranting & raving (from both sides) that usually accompanies other topics on Faramir. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior.<P><BR> ,<BR>Iarwain

Even if I had liked Movie Faramir more, I'd still choose Book Faramir. And, if Movie Faramir had been Book Faramir, that means Movie Frodo could have been Book Frodo (or much closer to it!), and then all would be well! That's about as short as I can make it!<P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I would have to disagree entirely. The movie Faramir was too much akin too his brother, and had no "Elvish" quality as it was described in the book. His choices paralleled his brother's (I am of the belief that Boromir repented of his efforts to get the Ring after Frodo ran away, much as Movie Faramir repented). The fact that the characters in the movie so closely resembled each other, in my mind at least, defeated Tolkien's purpose entirely.<P>This is perhaps the third or fourth Faramir thread I have responded to. They seem to keep popping up in the Movies section.

Book Faramir!<BR>I guess I'll explain why in the other thread.

Thought so! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But a lot of that flak comes from adament Farimir Movie dis-likers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The problem is that there are very few, if any, fans of the Books who would consider Film Faramir to be a more worthy and noble character than Book Faramir, even among those (like me) who like the Films and feel that Faramir's character in TTT works well. This is because Book Faramir manifestly is the more worthy and noble character.<P>But you are not asking which is the more worthy and noble Faramir. You are asking which one people prefer and my answer to that is I prefer Book Faramir in the context of the Books and Film Faramir in the context of the Films?

I vote for Film Faramir, as he certainly seems more believable as a human being. But for all those out there who say that he is far different from the book Faramir, I give you the following (as I have already stated in my last thread.) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>FARAMIR: I think at last we understand one another, Frodo Baggins.<BR>SOLDIER: You know the laws of our country, the laws of your father. If you let them go, your life will be forfeit.<BR>FARAMIR: Then it is forfeit. Release them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

Movie, movie, movie, movie, movie. I despised the book Faramir.

Very good, lord of angmar, I agree utterly. <P>Iarwain

Book Faramir. I don't know why PJ changed the character around so much. Now, it's like Gondor has a bad rep or something.<P>Nehani of the Forests

Book<P>Boromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Boromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>My thoughts exactly.<P>Now don't me wrong, I'm not going to bash the movies (hey, the first movie was what got me into the books!). I understand why the changes were made. I understand, but didn't enjoy. Book Faramir just seemed so much more gentle and intelligent to me. Also, in the movie, it was almost like Faramir looked down on the hobbits as inferior beings, and I just can't see Faramir doing that... But hey, that's just my opinion. <P>The one thing that made movie Faramir tolerable for me was that he was played by a great actor. David Wenham's performance saved me from running out of the theatre in tears, and I have high hopes for him in RotK.

My impression of the Faramir in the books was that he had a greater sense of what ought to be done. He was a more thoughtful and introspective character than his brother, which was why he took it upon himself to allow the Ring to pass on and did not try to take it into his keeping. I feel that the film portrayed him as a suspicious, small-minded and bureaucratic man, without the clear, decisive thinking that distinguished his literary counterpart. <P>Moreover his very motivation for trying to detain Frodo seems different in the books: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>[Frodo]'Then what would you have me do?'<BR>[Faramir]'I know not. Only I would not have you go to death or torment. And I do not think that Mithrandir would have chosen this way.'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The film makes taking the Ring to Minas Tirith his motivation, which doesn't sit well to my mind with his respect for Gandalf's judgement.<P>I fail to see, Meela, what there was to despise about Tolkien's version of Faramir: he was clearly a very able commander, and he was certainly no coward; but he combined these soldierly virtues with common sense and decency. Perhaps you could enlighten us with the passages that led you to your opinion.<p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong.<P>I found the film Faramir highly intriguing.<P>There is nothing wrong with the book Faramir. I just didn't take to him.

Meneltarmacil: Dear God, please don't bring that up. That will cause the very fights that I'm trying to avoid. A lot of people already replied to the 'redemption' of Faramir because of that quote on your thread. P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Movie Faramir came as a surprise to me, to say the least, as I found him barely recognizable. But as Saucepan says, he is indeed a different character in a different story. <P>That said, my vote is for Book Faramir (and incidentally, Book Story) .<P>Sophia

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks I made it up a while ago for a thread, and stored it away for future Denethor worship.<P>I know I seem like a fickle idiot, but I'm gonna say book Faramir has a certain attraction. I'm now torn between the two. No... I'm sticking with Mr. Movie Evil. I always go for the freaks and the evil guys. Why change the habit of a lifetime?

Book Faramir... He was just... cooler... nobler... more heroic... more Faramir-like. Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have every confidence that it will all turn out just peachy in Rotk. I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Most likely I have nothing better to do... And thanks! I love my sig too It's this sort of time when you wish the "Who's Got The Best Signature" thread open... I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Me too! Very much indeed!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I found Eowyn much more intriguing in this part of the book, since she was the one who had to come around and escape the dark cloud; it will be interesting if the movie does a clearer job of showing Eowyn's process of casting off the darkness and embracing Faramir and the light he offers her! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta

Meela on her sig: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Strange, part of what makes it so funny to me is that it all ties into the events in RotK! <BR>

I love book-Faramir<BR>I hate movie-Faramir

I think the question is premature. We have yet to see the RotK Movie Faramir, so we are judging on partial evidence. So despite the fact that all evidence is not in,I will vote for the Book Faramir...<P><I>--warning my opinion below--</I><P> ..since he <B>is</B> Faramir, and PJ's is an abberation that only came into existence because of a strange confluence of millions of dollars, widespread exsposue and enormous ego to 'better' the LotR.<p>[ July 24, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

That's okay lindil, although I suggest that you could just post your vote & then say you'll post your explaination for those who wish to read it in Meletarmacil's thread called 'Faramir'. That'd work just as well, or close to it. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

I vote for Book-Faramir, of course. I think, anyone who knows the books well, will do so.<BR>Meela who voted for Movie-Faramir wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's just the point! The conversation of Faramir with the hobbits stretches over 3 chapters! But if you don't remember that.... <BR>I will refrain myself from saying more, Lindil already wrote exactly what I think.

Three chapters?? Are you sure? Of course you are... you've read it... Well, either I'm going blind, stupid, or I fell into a coma whilst reading, because I do not remember seeing that much.

The Faramir chapters are sublime, especially after the hobbits endure the Emyn Muil, the despair of the Black Gate and journeying with Gollum.<P>Even more than with Aragorn we get to see the nobility and wisdom of Men, before Farmir they are obscurely buried away in Aragorn for the most part. Faramir fleshes out that which was previously hinted at.<P>The movie dispenses with all of this to gives u... I'd better stop now<P>oh and or Estel, I have edited my vote as per your suggestion.

duuuhhhhh!!!!!!, book farimir is way better, he is supposed to be noble and kind, but they made him just like his father and brother mean and ugly<P>meanie pants

The book, the book, definantly. In the movie Faramir was made out to be a character that became corrupt upon seeing such a prize as the ring. In the book, he was a noble man with legendary self control; a great contrast between himself and his brother Boromir.<P>There's my 2 cents.<P>Himaran

Book Faramir, definately. In the books, he was clearly much stronger mentally than Boromir. He is much more noble and kind than the weaker Boromir. The movie made him almost opposite than him in the book. My vote is for book Faramir!

I love the Book Faramir, though while I was rereading RotK, I was imagining movie Faramir. I can't wait to see him doing the book Faramir stuff in the movie.

Book Faramir<P>I choose him because for me he was a charater that I actually cared about because of the way he acted. In the book he wasn't exactly nice, but then he wasn't exactly as mean as he was in the film. In the movie the charater was terrible, and I personally think that they took unecessary changes. The book Faramir could have fit in fine into the film, but I guess PJ did not think that this section of the book had enough drama or something like that.<P>Though I may have a different opinion though when the extended edition. He is a charater that I really want to care about though.