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archangel00 01-06-2002 03:38 AM

The Insect that flew to Gandalf in the movie..??
 
When Gandalf was held prison on top of the Orthanc by Saruman....a butterfly or flying insect came to him. <P>What was that creature....this happened before Gandalf escapes on the eagle(galadhir)<P>Thanks,

Elrian 01-06-2002 06:57 AM

It was supposed to be a moth.

Elanor 01-06-2002 07:13 AM

I thought it was a butterfly or a moth. A very nice little moment I thought - we saw the scale and enormity of Orthanc, the skill and wisdom of Gandalf, and the willingness of the natural world to help Gandalf. It was also a neat contrast of the beautiful butterfly and the horrors going on below.

Rose, the youngest 01-06-2002 08:32 AM

It was a moth actually. I was guessing it to be a Lunar Moth, becuase of the anteana. Did I spell that right? Did you notice that he spoke to the moth? The effect really brought to life the terrible things that where happening underneath the tower.

Maeglin 01-06-2002 08:49 AM

I liked that scene with the flying moth.

Baillie From Bree 01-06-2002 12:10 PM

In the book, Gandalf is rescued by chance by an eagle sent by Radagast the Brown, a wizard who has "much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends". The moth encapsulated Radagast in a tidy little cameo.

peregrine 01-08-2002 10:50 PM

i like the idea that amongst all this power and glory, albeit corrupted, a tiny element of nature comes to Gandalf's aid. Another interpretation of the scene could be that the moth/butterfly acted as a messenger for Gandalf, passing news of his urgent need as a whisper through the flying animal kingdom until it finally reached the eagles. Is it clear what Gandalf said to it? Could it have been "Find Thorondor, he'll know what to do?"

archangel00 01-09-2002 12:19 AM

Who or what is Thorondor......???

Eowyn of Ithilien 01-09-2002 03:37 AM

Thorondor's the Eagle that rescued Gandalf

Elrian 01-09-2002 05:00 AM

Thoronder was the mighty eagle of the first Age, Gwahir is the eagle who rescued Gandalf.

rhudladion 01-09-2002 09:13 AM

Elrian is correct: it was gwahir the wind-lord. And I was kind-of hoping that the moth would rescue Gandalf!

shieldmaiden 01-09-2002 11:48 AM

The silence of the lembas:<P>

Maeglin 01-09-2002 02:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by peregrine:<BR><STRONG>i like the idea that amongst all this power and glory, albeit corrupted, a tiny element of nature comes to Gandalf's aid. Another interpretation of the scene could be that the moth/butterfly acted as a messenger for Gandalf, passing news of his urgent need as a whisper through the flying animal kingdom until it finally reached the eagles. Is it clear what Gandalf said to it? Could it have been "Find Thorondor, he'll know what to do?"</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Exactly!!!!

Elrian 01-10-2002 12:30 AM

It's amazing what Middle earth Moths can do!<p>[ January 10, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ]

Elendur 01-10-2002 12:36 AM

... and how smart passing-by foxes can be.

Durin's Bane 01-16-2002 08:10 PM

The last two words Gandalf said to the moth sounded alot like "Gwahir go!"


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