How did the One Ring return to ME?
 

Hi,
I have already used the search function, but I haven't found an answer to this question:
It is said in Akallabeth that after the fall of Numenor, the body of Sauron was drowned and he came ghostlike back to Middle-Earth. So how was he able to take the One Ring with him? There is of course the alternative that he didn't bring it to Numenor in the first place, but then where should he have left it? Was there any "person" enough trustworthy left behind in Middle-Earth?
Greetings,
EfR

I remember this has come up before as a small sidetrack in a discussion. I believe that the outcome was that he left it at Barad-dur when he 'was taken' to Numenor. Once he had taken shape again the Ring would be waiting for him.

I think I can read up on this, so I'll try to do that tomorrow.

greetings,
lathspell

I believe that Sauron left the Ring in Barad-dur, in a sort of safe or something, and went to Numenor. He knew that if Ar-Pharazon got his hands on the Ring, or heard about the Ring, many awkward questions would be asked, and many awkward answers would have had to be given.

I believe that Ar-Pharazon would have asked Sauron to surrender the One Ring, had he known about it. But in my eyes, no one in Numenor, not even the king, knew about the Great Ring. I remember reading somewhere that the Elves laid down their Three Rings and spoke to noone about the whole affair. Naturally, Ar-Pharazon could have demanded that Sauron surrender all that he possessed, but he would not have asked precisely for the ring. Greetings,
EfR

Actually, Tolkien says that Saruon takes the One with him to Numenor; it helps him corrupt the peopel that much faster.

Apparently, eh carries it back through sheer will power/wind of his windy-spirit.

Okay, it seems that I missed out that passage of Tolkien saying the One Ring went actually to Numenor. So apparently Ar-Pharazon wasn't aware of the Ring (or at least of its great power and significance). Greetings,
EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:58 AM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Ah wlel it was in Tolkein's Letters, ands I only found out (I think [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) from actually seeing soemthing on theonering.net about this, so it's easier to miss it than find it. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Also Elrond of Rivendell keep in mind that Sauron was a Maiar spirit who had not yet been destroyed so he wouldn't have ceased to exist even if the ring was not yet made. Maiar spirits bodies die but when the bodies die the spirit endures(usually in some way) as did Gandalfs Saurumans and Saurons(more than once).

You are perfectly right Lord Elrond, but my initial question centered on how Sauron's fea (I'm not sure whether I am allowed to use this term together with Sauron's spirit), after having left Sauron's hroa, was able ALONE to carry the ring. Olorin has given an explanation, but lacking of sources IMHO, the power of Sauron's windy-spirit does not convince me very much. But as I have said, I presently have not Tolkien's letters with me, so I have to wait.
Added: I now have read Turin's post. The idea of Sauron levitating the ring does not convince me, but it may definitely be that this is the real explanation.
Thanks nevertheless for your precisions Olorin.
Greetings,
EfR (this is not a fake, I actually have registered twice, for some reason that lies now in the darkness and is forgotten)

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:50 PM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Silent Watcher ]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:51 PM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Silent Watcher ]

So, was Sauron able to somehow levitate the ring so that it came with him back to barad-dur? all of the expanations so far seem somehow... lacking.

Well bear in mind his form in Numenor wasn't a hroa - it was simply a form for his spirit, like clothing. So at that point his spiirit wasn't houseless, at least not in a diembodied-fea way...

Oh great. This is a good idea. Somewhat it does convince me. So your point is that Sauron in fact has 3 different "levels" of being: 1. his fea; 2. his hroa; 3. his clothes (=his physical appearance that can be seen by others)? A drowning or other killing can only destroy his "clothes", whereas fea and hroa remain intact, who could easily carry The One Ring.
Thanks,
EfR

No, he is a Maiar, and as such does not have a hroa. This is my understanding.

But still, was Sauron material as he returned to Barad-dur from Numenor, or not?

From Letter 211: Also in the same letter (next paragraph) some comments on the "easy" success of the Last Aliance: As the second quote speaks of 'bodily rehabilitation', it is clear that he was bodily incarnate on Middle Earth and in Núménor, before the Downfall of the latter. (I think the Silm often enough states likewise.)