| Marileangorifurnimaluim |
03-17-2002 01:35 PM |
Oh, Mhoram. I just saw your other topic.
Actually the best apology to Mhoram would be to finally be the person who can discuss the following topic:
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Mhoram -
The account of the Reckoning of Time from The Annals of Aman from HoME X Part II says:
1 year of the Trees = 9.582 Sun Years
I have used this in all my calculations.
I have completed a Tale of Years for all 4 ages, here are some dates of importance.
(YT = Year of the Trees) (YS = Year of the Sun)
YT 1,050 Elves awake in Cuiviénen
YT 1,085 Orome discovers the Elves
YT 1,101 Elves summoned to Valinor
YT 1,102 First ambassadors arive in Valinor - Ingwe, Finwe, and Elwe
YT 1,104 Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen
YT 1,105 1st sundering of the Elves at Cuiviénen - Avari stay behind.
YT 1,110 2nd sundering of the Elves at Anduin - Teleri stay behind.
YT 1,115 Vanyar and Ñoldor enter Beleriand
YT 1,128 Teleri enter Beleriand
YT 1,362 Galadriel born
YT 1,492 Finwe slain
YT 1,500 YT time ends, YS begins
YS 502 Elwe slain
YS 590 First Age Ends
3,441 total YS in the Second Age
3,021 total YS in the Third Age
From this information I have come up with these figures:
Finwe slain 4,235 YS after Elves awake.
Elwe slain 4,813 YS after Elves awake.
Cirdan leaves M-E w/Ring bearers 11,363 YS after Elves awake.
Galadriel leaves M-E w/Cirdan at the age of 11,061
*NOTES*
"Before ever they came to Beleriand the Teleri had developed a craft of boat-making; first as rafts, and soon as light boats with paddles made in imitation of the water-birds upon the lakes near their first homes, and later on the Great Journey in crossing rivers, or especially during their long tarrying on the shores of the 'Sea of Rhun', where their ships became larger and stronger. But in all this work Cirdan had ever been the foremost and most inventive and skilful. [On the significance of the Sea of Rhun in the context of the Great Journey see XI.173-4.]" - HoME XII, Part II, Section XIII, Note 16
This shows that Cirdan was alive when the Teleri were at the Sea of Rhun, which would be between the year YT 1,104(When the ambassators return) and YT 1,110(When the Teleri stay behind at the Anduin). So we can come within 574 YS of his age when departing M-E.
There are only 498 YS between the waking of the Elves and the ambassadors going to Valinor, of which Elwe and Finwe were two, so we can come within atleast 450 YS of their exact age at death.
Please speak up if you can find any error in my work here, esp. in the givens I use which may have later renditions of which I am not aware (i.e. YT=YS ratio, dates of important events)
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