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elbenprincess 08-27-2011 12:33 PM

Where does this quote come from?
 
"As one of the members of the royal house of Finwë and having the blood of the Vanyar from her paternal grandmother, Indis, she was often called the fairest of all Elves, be it on the shores of Aman or of Middle-earth."

I read this at wikipedia and wondered if this is fan made or stated by Tolkien. Maybe someone read this in one of the books? The fairest would be Luthien actually, but in my eyes Galadriel is more beautiful anyway, but thats not the point;)

Inziladun 08-27-2011 02:54 PM

Off hand, that doesn't sound like something I've read in Tolkien's books.

It does remind me, however, of a description of Galadriel from UT in the chapter The History of Galadriel and Celeborn.

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Even among the Eldar [Galadriel] was accounted beautiful, and her hair was held a marvel unmatched. It was golden like the hair of her father and of her foremother Indis, but richer and more radiant, for its gold was touched by some memory of the starlike silver of her mother; and the Eldar said that the light of the Two Trees....had been snared in its tresses.
I'm unaware of Galadriel ever being called the "fairest" in the books, either. In fact, The Silmarillion makes a point of saying many times over that Lúthien indeed was the most beautiful of all the Children of Ilúvatar.

Nerwen 08-27-2011 09:17 PM

As a general comment: the Wikipedia Tolkien Project, or whatever it's called, has a lot of issues, and is confusing in its approach. From what I've seen of it, anyway, I just wouldn't treat it as authoritative.

The Might 08-28-2011 06:05 AM

The Silmarillion provides quotes that should answer your question:

Luthien is of course the fairest:
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And of the love of Thingol and Melian there came into the world the fairest of all the Children of Ilúvatar that was or shall ever be.
Beren seems to think so to :D:
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For Lúthien your daughter is the fairest of all the Children of the World.
Galadriel is the fairest amongst the Elves who remained:
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A queen she was of the woodland Elves, the wife of Celeborn of Doriath, yet she herself was of the Noldor and remembered the Day before days in Valinor, and she was the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth.

elbenprincess 08-28-2011 01:09 PM

Tolkien often changed his mind, and early in the conception Galadriel didn´t even exist, Luthien of course did. In the course of time the character of Galadriel grew more and more important to him, but alas he never was able to finish her story, so maybe his opinion changed about that matter, but probably I´m wrong. Was just a thought.;)

In the appendix of LOTR he said she was "the greatest of even women". What do you think? Is that time - related and excludes Luthien because she no longer lives on Arda or does that include Luthien?

I anyway don´t get what people like about Luthien so much! I know great love story and all that but Galadriel is much cooler, greater and more brave. So enough Galadriel adoring, couldn´t resist.

"A queen she was of the woodland Elves, the wife of Celeborn of Doriath, yet she herself was of the Noldor and remembered the Day before days in Valinor, and she was the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth. "

Interesting quote it is! So is she even more beautiful than Arwen? How can this be, if Arwen is the likeness of Luthien? Or is Arwen excluded because she, until he end of the third age, didn´t decided to what race she wants to belong?

Regarding the "might" is that a political might or a spiritual might? So is she more mighty than Glorfindel who was nearly of maian status?

Galadriel55 08-28-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elbenprincess (Post 661141)
In the appendix of LOTR he said she was "the greatest of even women". What do you think? Is that time - related and excludes Luthien because she no longer lives on Arda or does that include Luthien?

Well, firstly, "greatest" is not necessarily "most beautiful". And I guess that Luthien doesn't count as she isn't alive anymore.

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Interesting quote it is! So is she even more beautiful than Arwen? How can this be, if Arwen is the likeness of Luthien? Or is Arwen excluded because she, until he end of the third age, didn´t decided to what race she wants to belong?
Arwen's beauty was like an echo of Luthien's. That's how I see it. And they are both beautiful. Beauty is a thing of opinion, and there were some disputes *coughGimliandEomercough* ;).

Mithalwen 08-28-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elbenprincess (Post 661141)
Tolkien often changed his mind, and early in the conception Galadriel didn´t even exist, Luthien of course did. In the course of time the character of Galadriel grew more and more important to him, but alas he never was able to finish her story, so maybe his opinion changed about that matter, but probably I´m wrong. Was just a thought.;)

In the appendix of LOTR he said she was "the greatest of even women". What do you think? Is that time - related and excludes Luthien because she no longer lives on Arda or does that include Luthien?

..."A queen she was of the woodland Elves, the wife of Celeborn of Doriath, yet she herself was of the Noldor and remembered the Day before days in Valinor, and she was the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth. "

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Regarding the "might" is that a political might or a spiritual might? So is she more mighty than Glorfindel who was nearly of maian status?

Superlatives are difficult in Tolkien - eldest and tallest as well as fairest!!!

Of course it is possible to find ways round a lot of these - Glorfindel did not remain in ME in the sense of he did not return once the ban of the valar was lifted having died already and was sent back later. Though I think Galadriel might have the edge over Glorfindel anyway though their skill sets are rather different.

Luthien and Arwen with their maia and mortal blood may not have been counted. But they are so dull that I reckon Galadriel (And Idril) win hands down. Tolkien deifies the brunettes but the blondes are more fun :Merisu: !!!


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