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The Might 09-15-2009 08:49 PM

Hobbit housing?
 
So I was browsing around inhabitat.com the other day and I happened to stumble across this:

http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/...hotel-ed04.jpg

Looks like hobbit holes, right? :) Of course most hobbits, except perhaps Sam, wouldn't be happy to have their neighbours so close, but this photo could have been theoretically possible in M-e.

By the way, if you're wondering what this actually is, it's a hotel in the Netherlands made out of salvaged wine casks.

You can read more on this cool idea at http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/01/14/...ne-cask-hotel/

Btw, just thought that this would be a wine barrel that Bilbo and the dwarves would actually like to be in. :D

EDIT: Feel free to move this to Mirth, if it doesn't fit that well in here.

Inziladun 09-15-2009 08:59 PM

I'd think Sam could be at home there. Looks quite a bit like my mental image of Bagshot Row.

Azaelia of Willowbottom 09-19-2009 10:51 AM

I'd stay there for a night. With just a few yards more space between the doors, it would be strikingly similar to my vision of Bagshot Row as well.

The bedroom looks very cozy. I think the curved shape would be very relaxing. I had no idea wine barrels could be so large!

Very cool find, and such a creative idea! I think any hobbit would be quite content to call the place home-away-from-home. If I ever find myself in the Netherlands, I'd definitely look that place up for a night or two.

skip spence 09-19-2009 11:26 AM

Here are a couple of pictures from Castilla y Leon in Spain. No round windows, but still, it isn't hard imagining Don Hobbito lives here, no?

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...e/DSCN3017.jpg http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...e/DSCN2988.jpg

Edit: Another lesson learnt from Spain (although the locals would resent me for naming it Spain, and hey, I'm not taking sides in that conflict): The city Bilbao is "Bilbo" in the Basque language.

The Might 09-20-2009 01:09 PM

That does look very Hobbitish! Wouldn't it however be quite dark inside there?

Eönwë 09-20-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence (Post 610961)
Here are a couple of pictures from Castilla y Leon in Spain.

Wow, the second one looks very much like how I would imagine Hobbiton in a more arid climate.

skip spence 09-20-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Might (Post 610994)
Wouldn't it however be quite dark inside there?

Yeah, I assume they are used for storing food and such, and not for living in, as there are no windows. Yet there are chimneys, and on the picture on the right you can see a TV-antenna on the full size version. I know that in some parts of Southern Spain, like in Granada, people are accustomed to living in dug out caves in the hillside, much like Hobbit-holes.

Estelyn Telcontar 09-20-2009 02:52 PM

There could by skylights.

TheGreatElvenWarrior 09-23-2009 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence (Post 610999)
Yeah, I assume they are used for storing food and such, and not for living in, as there are no windows. Yet there are chimneys, and on the picture on the right you can see a TV-antenna on the full size version. I know that in some parts of Southern Spain, like in Granada, people are accustomed to living in dug out caves in the hillside, much like Hobbit-holes.

In The Little House on The Prairie, weren't they living in a home that was dug out of the dirt. I twas in a mound, if I can remember rightly... This thread just reminded me or their semi hobbit-like home.

Mnemosyne 09-23-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior (Post 611420)
In The Little House on The Prairie, weren't they living in a home that was dug out of the dirt. I twas in a mound, if I can remember rightly... This thread just reminded me or their semi hobbit-like home.

Ehh...

I can only see a superficial relationship between soddies and hobbit holes.

The most obvious difference is that soddies were made because the American settlers were out on the Great Plains, where the land is flat as a pancake, because there were no trees; whereas hobbits had hills to burrow their way into.

For those unfamiliar with the concept, a sodhouse was made by chopping blocks of dirt (the very thick root system of the native grasses of the American Great Plains helped keep the sod together) out of the ground and then using them as bricks to make walls around the area you dug the sod from. So a sodhouse is slightly underground as you keep on chopping more chunks of dirt out.

Hobbit burrows may have started out more similar to this by being mere rooms dug straight into the earth (so you get dirt floors and walls), but the ones that we're familiar with managed to go past that by adding the amenities of wood paneling on the inside (if a Plains pioneer could afford wood, s/he would simply build a wooden house). Given Tolkien's introduction to holes as not being wet or smelly in The Hobbit it's safe to assume that there was some kind of civilizing interior added to most holes by the end of the Third Age; on the other hand when the hobbits dismantle Sharkey's inns and use the bricks to make some holes snugger or drier these methods couldn't have been foolproof, especially for the poorer families.

But there is one thing I've learned through studying the sodhouses: dirt is a great insulator, keeping the house (or hole) cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. Which seems like just the right kind of logic that hobbits would like.

TheGreatElvenWarrior 09-24-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 611423)
Ehh...

I can only see a superficial relationship between soddies and hobbit holes.

The most obvious difference is that soddies were made because the American settlers were out on the Great Plains, where the land is flat as a pancake, because there were no trees; whereas hobbits had hills to burrow their way into.

For those unfamiliar with the concept, a sodhouse was made by chopping blocks of dirt (the very thick root system of the native grasses of the American Great Plains helped keep the sod together) out of the ground and then using them as bricks to make walls around the area you dug the sod from. So a sodhouse is slightly underground as you keep on chopping more chunks of dirt out.

Hobbit burrows may have started out more similar to this by being mere rooms dug straight into the earth (so you get dirt floors and walls), but the ones that we're familiar with managed to go past that by adding the amenities of wood paneling on the inside (if a Plains pioneer could afford wood, s/he would simply build a wooden house). Given Tolkien's introduction to holes as not being wet or smelly in The Hobbit it's safe to assume that there was some kind of civilizing interior added to most holes by the end of the Third Age; on the other hand when the hobbits dismantle Sharkey's inns and use the bricks to make some holes snugger or drier these methods couldn't have been foolproof, especially for the poorer families.

But there is one thing I've learned through studying the sodhouses: dirt is a great insulator, keeping the house (or hole) cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. Which seems like just the right kind of logic that hobbits would like.

Thanks for clearing that up, as I think I already said, I couldn't quite remember, it's been probably nine or so years since I read those... or rather had them sort of read to me (because my mum would read to me, but I'd be a page ahead of her because she was too slow).


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