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zxcvbn 01-17-2008 11:34 AM

Books on Tolkien linguistics?
 
Can you name some books written on the languages of Middle-earth and their history? And also, who would you rate as the top Tolkien linguists?

William Cloud Hicklin 01-17-2008 11:50 AM

By history, do you mean internal or external?

Internally, the most detailed is the Lhammas, published in HME V The Lost Road (although superseded by later writing). Externally, the best approach would be to buy the relevant issues of Parma Eldalamberon wherein Tolkien's linguistic papers are being published starting with the Qenya Lexicon of ca. 1915 and working forward.

If you want to 'learn Elvish', the best Quenya course is Helge Fauskanger's at www.ardalambion.com. For Sindarin, there's nothing out there better than David Salo's book "Gateway to Sindarin." Be advised, though, that both represent synthesized 'neo-Eldarin,' making up forms to fill the gaps Tolkien left, and sloughing over the fact that JRRT's languages were constantly being changed and revised throughout his lifetime, so there's no 'one' Quenya or Sindarin. You might want to read Carl Hostetter's "Elvish as She Is Spoke", at www.elvish.org.

Who are the best? In one corner, Carl Hostetter, Christopher Gilson, Arden Smith, Patrick Wynne and Bill Welden. In the other corner, Fauskanger and Salo. Be advised, there is very bad blood between the two groups! The Hostetter group are the designated editors of Tolkien's linguistic manuscripts.

zxcvbn 01-17-2008 12:09 PM

Thanks. And why the bad blood?

William Cloud Hicklin 01-17-2008 01:57 PM

Why the bad blood? Because the Hostetter group are the designated editors of Tolkien's linguistic manuscripts.

Child of the 7th Age 01-17-2008 03:50 PM

zxcvbn -

Unlike WCH, I have no "insider's" special tips, and I am not a specialist in languages. (That's putting it mildly!) But the bad blood between the linguists has sadly been going on in public for a long time and is evident to even someone like myself who is a casual observer. You can easily see it in the posts on various websites and yahoo groups.

When it began, some criticized the "official" linguists for being too slow to publish documents and not generous enough in sharing materials. Hostetter and the others appointed by CT felt they were unfairly batted over the head by impatient and unreasonable critics. More recently, there's been arguments over a number of topics, including Salo's attempts to expand on the Elvish tongues by adding words that JRRT never sanctioned. This initially occurred in the context of the movies, but Salo then went ahead and published a volume on Sindarin that many feel is pure fiction. So the movie/book divide is also a factor in this disagreement.

davem 01-28-2008 05:03 AM

Don't know if this site is widely known,,,,
 
Possibly not entirely on topic but this is a nice site for pronunciations - it gives examples of the different languages Tolkien invented, used & was influenced by - like Gothic, Old Norse, Old English, Finnish & Welsh & there is an audio option if you want to hear them. http://www.jrrvf.com/%7Eglaemscrafu/texts/index-a.htm

When Tolkien recorded excerpts from his works into George Sayer's ferrograph he first of all read the Lord's Prayer into it as a precaution! (it was a MACHINE after all:eek:) That part of the recording has been lost apparently - unless someone knows different, but this site has the text & audio of someone else reading it http://www.jrrvf.com/%7Eglaemscrafu/audio/attaunsar.mp3 so you can get an idea of what it would have sounded like. You can also hear Tolkien pronouncing words from his own languages too.


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