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paavo

06-10-2004 02:46 PM

where is this quote from?

Quote:

for I am Olorin and Olorin means me!

I have seen this quote somewhere and have been ever since wondering where is it from and what is happening. So I would appreciate if someone could ease my curiosity. :)

Silmiel of Imladris

06-10-2004 10:23 PM

Wasn't Olorin one of the drawves in The Hobbit? If so then I would check there.

HerenIstarion

06-11-2004 05:15 AM

That is misquotation of Gandalf's words to Bilbo in the first chapter of the Hobbit (when Bilbo asks for the name of than mysterious old man with whom he converses 'one fine morning in the old times' etc)

Actual quote is:

Quote:

I am Gandalf and Gandalf means me

Olorin is also Gandalf, that is, the name he is known under in the West

Other names are Mithrandir (as elves call him), Tarkun (as dwarves do), and Incanus (as he is known in the south)

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh

06-11-2004 05:26 AM

Pipped at the post

You just beat me to that one, Heren. Other names applied to Gandalf are lathspell and Stormcrow (neither particularly complimentary).

Mithrandir is Sindarin for 'The Grey Pilgrim', Incánus approximately means 'North-spy'.

The full quotation from The Hobbit reads:

Quote:

Yes, yes, my dear sir - and I do know your name, Mr. Bilbo Baggins. And you do know my name, though you don't remember that I belong to it. I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me! To think that I should have lived to be good-morninged by Beladonna Took's son, as if I was selling buttons at the door!"

Lalaith

06-11-2004 05:33 AM

A propos of the above quote, I wonder if Gandalf and Belladonna were chums? I rather like that idea...

HerenIstarion

06-11-2004 05:47 AM

A-ha

Squatter, I remember someone recently advertising his typing promptness, mwahahaha...

But, seriously, it was unintentional. Still more you found the way to enrich information provided.

Lalaith, they probably were - as Gerontius (Old) Took is explicitly stated to be Gandalf's friend, warm feelings would naturally transfer on to Took's offspring. Still more Beladonna is also stated as being of adventurous disposition, even if of a stay-at-home-dream-about-it sort.

paavo

06-11-2004 09:08 AM

thanks to all for clearing this up for me. :)

HerenIstarion

06-12-2004 12:50 AM

As Squatter kindly reminded me, Tharkûn is spelled with h after T, not without. I stand corrected (H-I makes mental note to check textual evidence before giving lectures on any subject). To make my amends, here is the whole quote with all proper diacritics:

Quote:

Many are my names in many countries, he said. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Dwarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.'

Thus spake Faramir the Wise to Frodo the Ringbearer and Sam the Faithful in Ithilien... :)

My apologies for misinofrmation provided

Arwen Evenstar

06-14-2004 03:01 PM

No, Olorin wasn`t one of the Dwarves names. They were Fili, Kili, Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, Gloin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dwallin, Balin, and Thorin. (Yay ! I remembered all of them!) :D

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