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Evisse the Blue 07-05-2004 02:51 PM

Is it Celebrian?
Born of gold and silver - her mother was Galadriel and her father Celeborn
Linked morning and evening - linked Galadriel to Arwen
Freed from darkness but not shadow - She was healed after her ordeal, but the joy of living left her
Left love for light - left for Valinor instead of staying with Elrond
Reunion was eternal separation - she was eternally separated from Arwen

Mithalwen 07-06-2004 12:08 PM

Absolutely spot on...... Poor Elrond really was torn in all directions wasn't he? Always felt I would have liked to have known more about Celebrian .....

Evisse the Blue 07-06-2004 04:10 PM

Me too! So much could have been said between the two of them...


Born of love between the fairest,
I destroyed my father's dearest.
I created a desire,
I am a tormenting fire,
Still my heart is black.
I put the story on its track.

Bombadil 07-06-2004 05:25 PM

Fëanor?

Evisse the Blue 07-07-2004 02:12 AM

Correct! :)

Bombadil 07-07-2004 11:55 AM

We're 2 of the 5
Came across in the 3rd
Are we even alive?
Of us there are few words.

Mithalwen 07-07-2004 12:10 PM

Alatar and Pallando the 2 Blue Wizards (with Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast forming the 5 Istari) who came to ME in the Third age and disappeared into the far East never to be heard of again..?

Bombadil 07-13-2004 06:43 PM

Very correct! :D

Gil-Galad 07-13-2004 09:28 PM

*bump*

Mithalwen 07-14-2004 01:31 PM

Star-browed, the lonely bride
wept bitterly, admidst the sheep
Tree-lord would not home abide;
He roamed too long across the deep.



An easy one....but rhyming after a fashion......

Evisse the Blue 07-14-2004 01:50 PM

yet another bitter love story...
 
Erendis pining for Aldarion.

Mithalwen 07-15-2004 12:05 PM

Is there any other kind?
 
Yep .... my limited knowledge of Elvish translates Erendis as lonely bride, known as Elestirne because of the jewel she wore, living in the sheep lands of Emerie... Aldarion = lord of trees... :) All yours...... And it was a seriously dysfunctional relationship - but I always think people who think that Tolkien is a boy's own adventure writer should read this one..... he really knew people :rolleyes:

Evisse the Blue 07-16-2004 09:47 AM

yep, very disfunctional, very realistic ;)
 
Uprooted and lonely,
Yet a joy to behold,
A home for latecomers
From the days of old.

Mithalwen 07-18-2004 11:13 AM

Well since noone else has had a shot... Tol Eressea - the lonely Isle that was transport and home to the elves...

The Perky Ent 07-18-2004 10:58 PM

That's probably right, but I'll guess the other one. Numenor

Evisse the Blue 07-19-2004 03:50 AM

Mithalwen has it.

Mithalwen 07-21-2004 01:04 PM

Balrog's bane,
Came back again-
Twice aided a flight
From the forces of night
Person of might
Clad in white light.

Morsul the Dark 07-21-2004 01:12 PM

Gandalf?

killed a balrog
came back after death
Gwaihir(i think) flew him from orthanc and he was saved by the eagles in the hobbit
he was strong
and he was gandalf the white

boy if this is wrong i will cry

paavo 07-21-2004 01:14 PM

this seems so obvious that i'm certain there is some trick here. :)
but I'll take the bait: Gandalf

Balrog's bane, ---- obvious
Came back again- ---- obvious too :)
Twice aided a flight
From the forces of night ---- aided the fellowship to escape from the wolves and from the Balrog
Person of might ---- obvious
Clad in white light. ---- obvious.

Morsul the Dark 07-21-2004 01:19 PM

ew we cross-posted that stinks
you're right though it almost seemed too obvious to me as well

Fingolfin II 07-22-2004 01:11 AM

Right, I'll go for the less obvious one- was it Glorfindel?

Balrog's bane- killed the Balrog he fought with on the mountain peak.
Came back again- was reborn and a part of Elrond's household (though this isn't certain, that's true).
Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- he helped Frodo escape the Nazgul, and aided the escapees of Gondolin.
Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm.
Clad in white light- was shown to be 'an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath', when the Nazgul tried to cross the Bruinen, as he was a shining white figure.

I doubt this is the right answer, but I must cover all contingencies!

Gil-Galad 07-22-2004 10:18 AM

another reason could be Echthelion

Balrog's bane- killed Gothmog, lord of the Balrogs
Came back again- the stewards of Gondor took his name, so he was kind of reborn
Twice aided a flight, from the forces of night- well, back in beleriand he helped get Gondolins troops back to Gondolin and stalled aganest evil forces in the courtyard
Person of might- described as an Elf-lord of the Firstborn, who has dwelt in the Blessed Realm.
Clad in white light- Elf-Lord! pretty strong!

Mithalwen 07-22-2004 11:20 AM

2 people fell into the "Trap for Heffalumps" :p ...... Gandalf... far too obvious and the flight clue would be a little weak... not what you associate him with- Fingolfin is right on all counts.... Glorfindel was the one I meant - Ecthelion well I think the clues would have been too tenuous.... although I am a bit sneaky and like to be subtle, once you know the clues fit quite tidily. Incidentally, and because it bears on this... JRRT decided that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were the same and Glorfindel had been exceptionally returned to ME for a purpose... to aid Gandalf in the fight against Sauron (HoME) :D

Fingolfin II 07-23-2004 12:48 AM

Thanks, Mithalwen.

With foilage as dark as the night,
Refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight.
He fought and retreated,
Bruised, but not yet beated.
Created a haven, yet lost my wife,
Had a daughter yet death took her life.
Sundered from father and mother,
He is forever separated from his brother.

Gil-Galad 07-23-2004 10:16 AM

Turgon me thinks?

Gil-Galad 07-23-2004 10:18 AM

maybe even Hurin?

The Perky Ent 07-23-2004 10:36 AM

Could it be Elrond?

Morsul the Dark 07-23-2004 10:42 AM

ill say fangorn it used to be so vast and prt of it fought the hobbits

seperated from its brother lost his wife

the daughter is the only clue throwing me off

Mithalwen 07-23-2004 11:52 AM

I would have said Elrond but I can't explain the first 2 lines.... :confused:

Gil-Galad 07-23-2004 12:57 PM

Sauron tried to convince Gil-Galad adn Elrond to help him with his rings, but they would not lend an ear

Fingolfin II 07-23-2004 09:57 PM

Perky Ent has it! It is indeed Elrond- foilage as dark as night (Elrond had midnight hair); refused to listen to the Darker One in his plight (he and Gil-galad refused to listen to Sauron when he disguised himself as Annatar).

The Perky Ent 07-23-2004 10:42 PM

Yay! My dead giveaway was the last bit
Quote:

Had a daughter yet death took her life.
He is forever separated from his brother.
The choice of Arwen and Elros' choice of mortality stuck in my mind. I don't know why it does that :) Anyways, here's the next one:


Faced the noble, killed the rescuer.
Killed the vain, and retreated into darkness
guarded by stone, and weilded a dwarfs favor.
My kin saved the light, and retreated from it.
Killed by the one born twice more,
I ruled with a firm grip



It's probably easier than I think. Have fun!

Bombadil 07-24-2004 01:42 AM

Turin Turambar?

The Perky Ent 07-24-2004 09:06 AM

Turin? No.

Gil-Galad 07-24-2004 12:27 PM

Maeglin maybe? or one of the sons of Feanor?

The Perky Ent 07-24-2004 09:06 PM

Maeglin? Nope. And it isn't a son of Feanor either. Definitly not.

Iarwain 07-30-2004 06:48 AM

Are you Carcharoth?

The Perky Ent 07-30-2004 10:29 AM

Nope

Morsul the Dark 07-30-2004 10:45 AM

Sauron?

The Perky Ent 07-30-2004 10:46 AM

No, but you're getting close ;)


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