Dragon appreciation thread
 

Esteemed wights,

What are your opinions on dragons? Are they something that attracts you, interests you, impresses you? Or are there other magical creature which hold more sway over you?



Given the more open/lighthearted nature of this subforum, I though I could open this thread here.

In return: dragons!






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It's normal to be somewhat fascinated by dragons as they have been part of our culture for such a long time, and I'm not only refering to European culture, as they are part of the mythology of all civilizations that happened to stumble upon dinosaur bones or teeth.

And yeah, I love them too. :D

Here comes the spoilsport
 

I find them awfully dull and unrealistic. The latter not only in the sense that "they breathe fire and are nearly immortal", but if their arrogance is supposed to reflect their superiority to humans, how can they be so stupid as to fall for flattery? Even I know better than that. ;)

Are you arguing that good guys in Ea never get fooled by words?:P

No, I was using myself as an example of an arrogant and evil person, and pointing out that dragons fall for something I (like to think I) don't. :Merisu: :p

Well, I don't know how much credibility we should lend to someone admitting to be on the side of evil himself ;)

On the whole, each and everyone in Ea has a weakness:
If everyone carries a software bug, why should we qq about this or that one? Some have great inherent strength, other good persuasions, charisma, foresight, craftmanship, good moral values, faith etc, etc, and nobody has all of the good qualities, that is, nobody is perfect. Are we really in a position to judge a fault, on the grand scheme of things (could any finite being have that capacity, given that each one has an inherent weakness)? And comparing ourselves in the process with, excuse me, a dragon? ;)
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Where is the last picture from, Raynor?

Looks like Dol Amroth in the background. :D

To be honest, I had a saved gallery.

Depending on your free time, you could use TinEye to track it down :D

http://www.tineye.com/search/be687d7...a851943bf3515/

Meanwhile... where were we? Oh yeah, more dragons!

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Okay, Tolkien dragons might be different with their flaws and all (however, not many have a very distinct personality). It's most fantasy dragons (that are supposed to be perfect) that I can't stand. But I still think they all are quite boring. I mean, what's so fun about a talking lizard? :p

Well, I pretty much doubt that even the most erudite ant in the entire history of the ants could understand/evaluate the likes of Einstein, Gauss, Tolkien, Plato - or maybe even Jackie Chan, Angelina Jolie or Rudolf Nureyev. But we have the ant to blame for that ;)
I don't quite subscribe to this tbh though. Majestic, imposing, maybe superior? Yes
A being with more knowledge, power and range of perceptions than most of all the creatures ever imagined? :P Indeed, let's find something more bite-sized, they are more cute :P

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Tolkien's dragons are indeed nice and savoury and I love both Glaurung and Smaug. I've yet to see a detailed and convincing painting or image of one of Middle Earth's dragons though. Has anyone else?

The tendency among artists seems to be guana/dinosaur-like creatures that walk upright with strong legs even though Tolkien clearly described long and slithering serpent-like dragons.

Well, I quite like Alan Lee's Glaurung in CoH but the shape of the father of Dragons is only hinted in that one (which is probably for the best to be honest).

Dragons rock. They rock really hard. Bestial ferocity, elemental firepower, cunning intelligence and magic all rolled into one - how much cooler can it get?
I'll have to come back to this once I'm no longer distracted by WW. Great thread, Raynor, and great pics (I love the white one best)!

As a fellow dragon-obsessive, I thank you for posting this, Raynor. And sorry, Agan, but Dragons > Giant Spiders.:smokin:

That's.. a matter of contention (emphasis added):

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You are referring to this painting I believe. In any case, I never claimed Tolkien's long-worms do not have legs, I only said that they did not walk upright like a dinosaur, rather crawled on the ground like a snake or possibly a lizard, at least in the case of Glaurung. And looking at Tolkien's Smaug, it kind of looks like he might have two pairs of legs (one of the hind legs can be guessed behind the pile of gold near his left wing?). But this is not a very convincing dragon anatomically, is it? You could imagine him walking/crawling like a lizard, but hardly flying... For that, the wings are much too small and positioned far too close to his head.

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I don't think this is a pertinent issue tbh. Dragons can employ forces which are far outside the realm of normal humans, and they may very well use those forces when flying, or why not, walking. I don't think there is any part of them which is reducible to normal terms. True, a lizard of their size would likely not walk upon its legs, but crawl instead; but said lizard will also not be able to talk or breath fire, due to lacking the specific powers of the dragons. You might say that dragons have an irreducible complexity ^^
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Yes but Ray, your argument is beginning to look contrived. My point is that Tolkien describes long, crawling, serpent-like creatures and that artists typically miss or ignore this. But the images you've provided are not of ME dragons anyway, it seems...

Admirably done, good Raynor! Here is a worthy thread. Not long ago I was asked the eternal question: if you could have anything, would you choose?

I replied, without hesitation: "A dragon."

In fact, the only thing I'd rather have is more dragons. A whole gang of them. What is the collective term for dragons anyway?

Well, I don't bother explaining magic tbh; they are magical creature, I would expect their expression in the physical realm to be more than ordinary, starting from their anatomy if you will.
Well, I don't know, if his own picture shows his first and famous dragon as having feet, then all the rest is not out of bounds tbh
I agree, I chose to be more liberal in my selection of images, hence the subforum. Only to serve the purpose of the thread! Also, there are lots of common streaks in all the awesome visualizations of dragons, including Tolkien's
Dragonflight, wing of dragons, or, according to Anne McCaffrey, a weyr of dragons. My favorite is dragonflight ^^
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