Of Eorl: The line thought broken
Eorl was the father of the Rohirrim, who all had golden hair. But where they did they get their golden hair from? House of Hador would be an obvious answer, but how? Tuor only had one son, and there is no indication that Earendil is an ancestor of Rohirrim in any way. That leaves his cousins, but all three of them died.
But there is an unknown variable there: Tolkien never explicitly stated that Nienor and her child died, only that they jumped into the river. And the river took them to a hidden place, where Nienor lived long enough to bear a child before dying. That child is Eorl's ancestor. |
The golden-haired tendency of the Rohirrim could indeed be explained by a connection with the House of Hador, but at further removes from Tuor specifically.
The Northmen of Rhovanion eventually became the Rohirrim, and of them it is said: Quote:
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Interestingly, the Gondorians came down closer to Urwen's view; Faramir tells us this:
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To the specific idea that only Hador's line had his characteristic blondness, Tolkien also gives us this: Quote:
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Yes, a death, but it doesn't mean multiple deaths. But whatever, it seems you are naturally inclined to disagree with me no matter what. Therefore, I forbid you to post in any of the topic I make in the future.
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Nope, you're just going to have to live with folks poking holes in your fantasy plots. |
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Attempting to do the same thing by a different track, Morgoth. We know that he could lose track of the Children of Hurin - I believe Turin revealed himself multiple times - but also that his curse continued even when he didn't personally know where they were (I don't believe he was ever aware they'd reached Brethil, for instance). To argue that Nienor and her child could have escaped it is to argue that Morgoth's power in Beleriand is far weaker than it seems. It also makes Hurin and Morwen's ends even more tragic... and implies that Hurin, seeing all from his stone throne, somehow missed Nienor's escape. hS |
My riddle needs solving. ;)
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Maybe, but I created this thread. Last time I checked, many sites have adopted a 'my thread, my rules' policy. |
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I've always felt that if you give implicit or explicit rules in a thread (eg by asking a question like 'what would be the effects of this?'), I'm expected to abide by those; I can post other things, particularly in response to other comments, but I shouldn't try to shut down conversation on the original topic. But if you post something just as a theory, like this thread or... ah... most of mine, to be honest, then the rule becomes simply 'discuss' - which can be 'disagree with details'. A flat 'nope that's wrong' would be pretty rude, but a 'here's why [I think] that's wrong' is a different matter. Urwen, I think you've stayed out of the Balfrog threads (actually I think they mostly stopped posting them before you became active again), but I know I spent a lot of time disagreeing with them over there, and others did too. If they tried to shut down disagreement with their theories that, say, The Hobbit is largely plagiarised from an obscure Elizabethan play, I think we'd all be very disgruntled. hS |
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