RotK Rumors - Share yours! **POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
 

What rumors have you heard regarding ROTK? I've concocted one of my own that Aragorn will not wish to sheath Narsil, based on the pictures I've seen, and the action figure, all of which do not have Narsil in a sheath.<P>I know of a few more, but I need to leave, so I'll let you guys share some of yours, and hopefully check back in soon.

Well obvoulsy there's the rumour that Sauron will appear & fight Aragorn. We know it was filmed but don't know if it was cut or kept. I started a whole thread about that though...

...and from AICN, the Faramir/Eowyn wedding was filmed...but whether it will make the cut - I dunno?

Oooh I really hope that makes it. And if not the theatrical, then hopefully the EE.<P>Of course, there's that rumour regarding our dear old friends Leggy and Wormy...

Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing Wormtongue get an arrow through his head... <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

Here is one that is NOT TRUE but very funny nonetheless. It is suposedly the last 2 pages of the ROTK script.<P><A HREF="http://pages.emerson.edu/students/jesse_hill/rotk1.html" TARGET=_blank>Click Here!</A>

Sauron appears and fights Aragorn? That is CRAZY! Sauron's spirit fell when the Ring was unmade! How could he appear and fight Aragorn! Aragorn, great though he was, surely could not have contested Sauron in battle.<P>Since I sort of deduced it myself, does my theory about Anduril make sense?

I read those pages of the supposed RotK script, and while I admit they appear fabricated, and someone said they were fake, it still looks like it might be a good way to end, covering the rest of the story and such. Still, I would rather it end on a very good note, not like the book.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Sauron appears and fights Aragorn? That is CRAZY! Sauron's spirit fell when the Ring was unmade!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'd assume that this would occur during the last battle, with Aragorn and Sauron having a face-off while the camera cuts between the warriors and Frodo struggling with Gollum at the Cracks of Doom.<P>Then, just as it seems that Sauron is about to prevail over our plucky king-to-be, Gollum takes his dive into the lava, and <I>POOF!</I>...no more Sauron!<P>Eh, I could live with that.

Ohhhh... Those last two fake pages of the script are very cool. That is exactly the way I hope they end the films <P>I personally think that they are going to show at least a little of the wedding of Eowyn and Faramir. Just to show the fans of those charaters that everything goes turns out well for them. <BR>It will probably be something like a passing scene with the two of them in embrace after the end of the wedding service or something like that.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still, I would rather it end on a very good note, not like the book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't want them to change the end at all. I would like it to be just like the book with a little bit of the appedieces added in to give it a proper closing. Much like those two fraudulent pages of script. Actually I wouldn't mind if they ended the films with Sam at home with Elanor reciting that famous line. But I don't think that the non-book readers would be happy with that.

Yeah, why should anyone want to change the ending so that it is happy? If it isn't in the book, then it shouldn't be in the film. But then it wasn't exactly that sad in the book anyway.<BR>About Narsil and Andúril, it's an interesting theory and does make sense, but WHY????? He's not going to be so doubtful about this 'weakness in his veins' that he'll even refuse the sword, will he???

I know those two pages are fake, but that still would be a pretty cool way to end the Movies. Just kinda wraps everything up.<P>I heard another rumor that it's Eowyn, not Legolas that kills Wormtongue. I think the justice there is better, don' t you?<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

Funny, I found those fake last two pages rather lame and pointless.<P>You can't make the last images of Legolas and Gimli! or even Aragorn or Arwen. It's got to end with Frodo and Sam. The theme of Frodo sacrificing his life so that others could enjoy the simple pleasure of home and family is central. PJ has played with plot and character, but I think he's captured the themes well.<P>H.C.

Yes, I really hope so. It's the hobbits you are meant to really get to know first, and it's with them you end.<P>But since when was Éowyn an archer? That really doesn't work...besides, the manner of the arrow entering dear Wormy's head is like that of a typical Leggy stunt.

Well I already knew that they were going to have wormtongue and Saruman die differently than in the book which totally blows in my opinion I wanted to see the Shire Hobbits kick some bad butt!!! Well anyway I thought the ending in the book was sad though it ends with a simple yet painfully "Well, I'm back" But on to a slightly happier note I think they should add some of the appendices so you know that the characters live on even when Frodo and Gandalf leave. Although Aragorn and Arwen do die and so do Merry and Pippin, etc. (That would be for the non-book readers to be included inthe movie)<P>They shouldn't have Aragorn fight Sauron that's ridiculous, I don't think that that one is true... no way PJ would even think of doing that. Well I have a lot more to say but it would take alot of time to say and I don't want to ramble on.<P>p.s. I can't wait to see Shelob, PJ better have left in the Mouth of Sauron, I think i saw a model of his horse it looks briliantly awesome, all you have to do is look at the extra stuff in the fellowship cd's I unsure about the regular one but it's in the EE version

Possibly the thing with Sauron apearing and fighting Aragorn would be when Aragorn looks into the palantir and "contests the will of Sauron."<P>Anyone think so?

I think it would be awful if Eowyn or any other character kills Wormtongue. It needed to be from an anonymous Hobbit archer in the book to convey the sadness of his life. I presume the incident will happen in Isengard in the film so I'm praying that it will be an anonymous Rohirrim archer who kills Wormtongue.<P>If anyone else does it, like Legolas, Eowyn or Eomer, then the whole point of his death will be missed in order to fulfill some corny Hollywood-style revenge scene.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PJ better have left in the Mouth of Sauron<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He did. I'm sure of it. On Ian McKellen's official site, he spoke of doing a re-shoot, and having someone stand in on the blue screen where the (quote) Mouth of Sauron threw the mirthril coat down (unquote). So we can be sure of that.

After reading my copy of SFX magazine I can tell you that the Mouth of Sauron is going to be played by someone called Bruce Spence. So I am assuming that he's in (yay!)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Possibly the thing with Sauron apearing and fighting Aragorn would be when Aragorn looks into the palantir and "contests the will of Sauron."<BR>Anyone think so?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, no. If it's not cut it will be in pysical form at the battle field. & Birdland is right, Frodo destroys the Ring in time to save Aragorn from getting smeared all over Middle Earth. That's just presuming it's left in though.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>After reading my copy of SFX magazine I can tell you that the Mouth of Sauron is going to be played by someone called Bruce Spence. So I am assuming that he's in (yay!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've seen a pic of them putting on some of his makeup (can't really see much, though), so we know he was filmed. Hopefully PJ hasn't cut him, but I kind've doubt that.

The Mouth of Sauron is one of those images I'm really looking forward to. I love that moment when the Hosts of the West are infront of the Black Gates issuing challenges. The doors begin to open and the anticipation grows. Then a single figure, with a small escort, comes through, dwarfed by the size of the enormous gates.<P>Great visual stuff. Jackson has to use it.<P>H.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Great visual stuff. Jackson has to use it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He's deffinatly one to flock to the visuals. & he's great at converting them to the silverscreen too.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The doors begin to open and the anticipation grows. Then a single figure, with a small escort, comes through, dwarfed by the size of the enormous gates.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO. Much like the Gollum scenes.

about the fake script thing...<P>i thought the first page that it was a beautiful way to end the trilogy, i'd probably start crying if i saw it actually in a movie( i felt like crying reading it), but i dont like ending with legolas and gimli. It was okay, ending with the theme of friendship, but it really should have ended with the hobbits, or at least legolas and gimli meeting frodo and sam or whatever.

Does anyone know anything about the burning heads in Pelennor? That is one of the moments that stand out in my mind from ROTK. <BR>Also, I think that ROTK should end after Frodo sails off, and should show what the rest of the fellowship did after it. And mabey the last scene could show Frodo on the ship, and Valinor in the distance. I like dreaming!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Much like the Gollum scenes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, well, they were still more enjoyable then the countless jokes centered around Gimli you have to admit.

About the burning heads - (Actually, in the book, the heads didn't burn, but the projectiles preceeding them did) I don't know whether they will be in or not. From previews of RotK (on the TTT DVD) and such, one can see burning projectiles, and Orcs commanding the launch of such things, but I don't know whether the heads will be in or not. Even though it's in the books, I do hope it won't be in the movie. Just comes across as violence glorified.

I am usually not one who cares much for gore, but come on; it's <I>flying heads!</I> <P>Can anyone tell me where exactly that scene is in the book? It's been awhile since I've read ROTK, and seem to have forgotten many details.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Absolutely. It would be delicate, but if handled right it would be scary as hell because the audience (the ones that haven't read the book in a while anyway) would be wondering what is going to happen next.<P>H.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I hope that doesn't make it funny though; a tiny figure coming through a massive gate... a scene that could easily become comic relief if done wrong, IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Absolutely. It would be delicate, but if handled right it would be scary as hell because the audience (the ones that haven't read the book in a while anyway) would be wondering what is going to happen next. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree with HC, that scene has the potential to look so good. The audience would be wrong-footed because their expecting an army but they actually get a mysterious and forboding person in a black cloak. Like the calm before the storm. I really hope it's done well now. I'll put some faith in and believe that PJ can do it.

I saw a pic of Aragorn and Eowyn (you all probably saw it too by now), when she is lying on a bed, and he's by her side; I wonder, is that from the Houses of Healing, what do you think? Does that mean that after Aragorn heals her she sees him and they talk?(in the book he leaves before she wakes up)

Perhaps Grima being shot by an anonymous archer of the Rohirrim could be kind of like the random old guy at Helm's Deep who killed a random Orc. That would be SO funny!!!!<P>I actually don't mind the whole puny, plucky man-King vs. huge, menacing, evil Dark Lord showdown because I trust PJ, and I know that whatever he does, whatever he changes, he will make it so good that we forget that he's changed it at all! That man is truly gifted, and I sincerely trust him.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Perhaps Grima being shot by an anonymous archer of the Rohirrim could be kind of like the random old guy at Helm's Deep who killed a random Orc. That would be SO funny!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That WOULD be pretty good! Everyone aims their bows, and that old guy is with them, and he is quivering again and accidentally shoots Wormy. Still, we don't know HOW Grima will find his end...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Still, we don't know HOW Grima will find his end...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Actully as far as I know we do. Unless it's been cut & redone (<I>extremly</I> unlikely), this is how it will run:<P> Legolas shoots an arrow at Grima (who's probably ontop of Orthanc after throwing Saruman off of the tower), & Grima laughs at Legolas's seeming inaccresy when the arrow soars over Grima Wortounge's head. All of a suddent the arrow comes plummeting down & crashes through Grima's skull. Terribly sorry if I missed something that confirmed this <B>wouldn't</B> be in RotK, but I don't think I have. As I've said before I'd prefer a direct hit, rather than a cheesy, "Oh! You missed! Nahnahnahnah-crash-owww..." type scene, but PJ has been none to slightly over-dramatize things (not say he's not a good director though).

Hey, just a few more things I've heard. First of all, I'm pretty sure Gandalf the White will return to the Shire in his same old cart...Ian McKellen mentioned it in his white book website.<P>Also, check out the <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com" TARGET=_blank>Internet movie database</A> and check out some of those photos there. Nothing you haven't already seen if you've looked, though, but there are allegedly previews available. Here's the link if it will work:<A HREF="http://imdb.com/title/tt0167260/trailers" TARGET=_blank>Return of the King trailers</A><P>Let me know if any of these work!

More good news! I learned from the internet movie database that Ghan-buri-ghan is going to be in the movie, played by <A HREF="http://imdb.com/name/nm0433922/" TARGET=_blank>Wi Kuki Kaa</A>. His name sounds like he might be a member of that tribe!

Ghan-buri-ghan is in? Yess! I thought he was a great little character, he had some very good lines. I shall look forward to seeing him.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Ghan-buri-ghan is in? Yess! I thought he was a great little character, he had some very good lines. I shall look forward to seeing him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> I would also like to see him, but if all we know is that an actor was cast for him; then we really don't know if his role has been cut of not by now...& that'd be a very real possiblity.

I remember seeing that cast list some time ago but then reading an interview with Jackson (I think it was in the summer) where he said that no scenes were shot with Ghan-Buri-Ghan and likely none would be done in pick-ups.<P>I'm not sure what to think on this one. Part of me is worried that he would be portrayed too much the nobel savage on film, but a bigger part would love to see him in the film. I'm just not pinning my hopes on it.<P>H.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Legolas shoots an arrow at Grima (who's probably ontop of Orthanc after throwing Saruman off of the tower), & Grima laughs at Legolas's seeming inaccresy when the arrow soars over Grima Wortounge's head. All of a suddent the arrow comes plummeting down & crashes through Grima's skull. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I really hope this is not how Grima meets his end, simply for the reason that it would make Legolas seem cruel, harsh, unthinking, etc. etc. (showoff!) Then again, I wished that Theoden had given Grima the chance to serve in battle as in the book TTT, but I suppose some finer points must be sacrificed for the film to work...<P>I did notice that, at the end of the movie FOTR, Legolas is hurrying to get the boat into the water to follow Frodo and Sam, never thinking that perhaps they ought to be thinking about Merry and Pippin and the Orcs taking them to Isengard. Another "thoughtless" Legolas moment (or maybe just impulsive), but I put it down to chaos and expedience. I know Legolas isn't like that! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta