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Gollum the Great 06-21-2008 07:54 PM

Doess that mean I'm correct?

Nerwen 06-21-2008 08:08 PM

Sorry, no.

#2 is true... which means that you're wrong in identifying it as a lie. See?

(Clue: family relationships are the key to this one.)

Rune Son of Bjarne 06-22-2008 06:53 AM

nr. 3 is lie

Frodo is in no way Bilbo's nephew . . .I am not sure how it works in english, but it looks like they are some sort of cousins.

Anyways I must admit that I was fooled by this question as well.

Nerwen 06-22-2008 07:27 AM

You have it, Rune.

(FYI: They're second cousins, once removed.)

Gollum the Great 06-22-2008 11:31 AM

I never heard of a Beren with a "Beregond" son.

Rune Son of Bjarne 06-22-2008 11:34 AM

They where both Stewards of Gondor.

Rune Son of Bjarne 06-25-2008 05:26 PM

My Turn
 
1) Celon was a tributary of the Aros
2) Celos was a tributary of the Sirith
3) Gundor was the older brother of Galdor

Nerwen 06-25-2008 08:41 PM

3.) Is a lie.

Rune Son of Bjarne 06-26-2008 04:06 AM

correct. . .too easy?

Anyways it is your turn

The Might 11-21-2008 10:03 AM

1. Elentir loved Miriel.
2. Forthwini was a King of Rohan.
3. Dudo Boggins attended Bilbo's Farewell Party.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-23-2008 02:45 PM

2) is wrong?

Thinlómien 11-23-2008 02:49 PM

Isn't it 3 that's wrong?

*is excited* :p

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-23-2008 02:57 PM

:D Ha! That hasn't been here for some time...

Though I think Forthwini sounds rather like Marhwini, and those were not Rohirrim, but the Northerners... well of course that does not prove anything... but Dudo, if he is the one I think he is, was there... or so I believe...

But hey, great. I am going to try to wake up TM :D

Thinlómien 11-23-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc (Post 575116)
Though I think Forthwini sounds rather like Marhwini, and those were not Rohirrim, but the Northerners... well of course that does not prove anything... but Dudo, if he is the one I think he is, was there... or so I believe...

Well, actually, you're probably right. Because I'm rather sure Forthwini was one of their kings before they moved to Rohan and I just didn't bother to think too much when I replied. Typical. But, on the other hand, I don't think the last name Boggins sounds familiar... sounds more like a nickname of Nogrod's. :D;) However, there's the chance that we are both wrong - because I have absolutely no idea about the truthfulness of the first one, except that it sounds silly. ;)

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-23-2008 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien (Post 575117)
Well, actually, you're probably right. Because I'm rather sure Forthwini was one of their kings before they moved to Rohan and I just didn't bother to think too much when I replied. Typical. But, on the other hand, I don't think the last name Boggins sounds familiar... sounds more like a nickname of Nogrod's. However, there's the chance that we are both wrong - because I have absolutely no idea about the truthfulness of the first one, except that it sounds silly.

Yes, it does... And ah... you are right, I didn't notice that Boggins thing. Hmm... ;) Or perhaps, what if all three are wrong? :eek: Now, let's ban him if he did that... :p

The Might 11-23-2008 03:55 PM

Yep, Legate is right.

1) is correct if you check the background info of Númenor and 3) is correct, just a random Hobbit fact

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 04:02 AM

Fine :) Okay, in that case I'll bring in something different... hmm...

1. Tower of Cirith Ungol was populated by about forty Orcs
2. Men of Rohan do not lie
3. Robin Smallburrow did conscript among the Shiriffs willingly

Andsigil 11-24-2008 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc (Post 575203)
Fine :) Okay, in that case I'll bring in something different... hmm...

1. Tower of Cirith Ungol was populated by about forty Orcs
2. Men of Rohan do not lie
3. Robin Smallburrow did conscript among the Shiriffs willingly

2 is wrong. Grima was both a man of Rohan and a liar.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil (Post 575206)
2 is wrong. Grima was both a man of Rohan and a liar.

An exception that proves the rule. Éomer in the Two Towers, to Aragorn (when meeting him for the first time):

Quote:

Yet you speak the truth, that is plain: the Men of the Mark do not lie, and therefore they are not easily deceived.
I don't have any evidence that would speak differently, so I believe Éomer on this (after all, he's supposed not to lie, right ;) ).

So, no, 2. is true (in this aspect. Of course, we could argue...).

The Might 11-24-2008 07:00 AM

Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

Andsigil 11-24-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might (Post 575214)
Actually, Andisigil has a very good point there, facts speak against what Eomer said, so I would actually consider that one false too.

Ok, but since you had something else in mind, 3) is wrong. Robin joined the Shiriffs willfully, only later on was he forced to remain in that position and to enforce several hard rules. 1) is correct, since we are told that Shagrat led about 40 orcs to investigate, this was his garrison from the Tower.

Oh, well. I thought I had a good point, but there was another answer in mind.

I suppose it's like taking the S.A.T., when they remind you to choose the "best" answer for a question, even if you might find that more than one of your possible choices are correct.

Still, I did think that Grima was the most salient. (shrug)

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 01:37 PM

Ha haa, and now you are wrong, Miggy. Because you get caught in the double-trap laid by me. First, if you read it, 3) says that he did join the Shiriffs willingly. And that is true. And 1) was the master-trap of it all, because Shagrat HAD forty orcs with him as a patrol, but in the very same place where this is told, the sentence continues that there were probably more in the tower itself (which is what I was talking about - the whole population of the tower, as you can read, I did not speak about just Shagrat's "recon team", which indeed had about 40 Orcs).

And as for the "Rohirrim don't lie" thing, it was a general statement: the same as if I said "Elves are tall", or "Hobbits do not work well with mechanic tools". Surely you will find a smaller Elf or a Hobbit who can work with mechanical tools (for example Sandyman), but it's something like a general statement.

Okay, I will post a new one then.

1. Mithril was found on Númenor
2. Hobbits were present in the Battle of Fornost
3. Dwalin never visited Mirkwood before his journey with Bilbo

Thinlómien 11-24-2008 01:50 PM

3 is a lie.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 01:56 PM

Correct :) The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?

Thinlómien 11-24-2008 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc (Post 575270)
Correct :) The thread is yours. Just out of curiosity, do you know why, or did you just come to that conclusion by the method of ruling out the rest?

I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien (Post 575273)
I knew for sure that 2 was true, I had a pretty strong recollection that 1 was true also, so it left me with 3 - and I realised it must be correct based on the Dwarven history I've been rereading lately... I remember those Dwarves went there for some reason - wasn't it when Thráin was taken by Sauron?

Yes, it was. Balin and Dwalin were there when he was taken from the middle of the camp right under their nose. Most fascinating.

Anyway, post the next one, please :)

The Might 11-25-2008 07:45 AM

Bah, how tricky...

Thinlómien 11-26-2008 06:11 AM

Here comes...
 
Okay, here's a traffic light question for you:

1. Maedhros, Amrod and Amras got their red hair colour from their grandmother.
2. The eyes of the Swan-ship of Lórien were yellow.
3. Frodo was given green clothes in Rivendell.


And now I remember why I took a pause from the Quiz Room (apart from being genuinely busy, that is) - coming up with these questions is really painful. :D

The Might 11-26-2008 10:11 AM

Ok:

1 is wrong, they had the auburn-coloured hair from their grandfather Mahtan.
2 is correct, it is said the eyes glinted like jet set in yellow stones, so the iris colour was yellow.
3 is also correct since we learn Frodo found green garments which fitted him perfectly.

Btw, nice idea Lommy! :)

Thinlómien 11-26-2008 10:13 AM

You're right, of course. :D

I always prefer making questions where the statements have something in common with each other, it just feels "neater". :)

The Might 11-30-2008 03:56 PM

Well, Thinlómien, in your honour I'll try to design a similar question, with different colours however so as to celebrate the National Day of Romania tomorrow.

Balin had a red hood.
Tom Bombadil had white candles on the table.
Noldor lamps sent out blue light.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-30-2008 04:09 PM

The Tom Bombadil one is not true.

First, I am pretty certain about the two others. And if that was not enough for me, then second, I believe the candles were yellow. And related to that, third, white is not on the Romanian flag, if I recall well ;)

The Might 11-30-2008 04:29 PM

Ah too easy indeed and you actually answered it before the National Day even started, 4 minutes still left. :D

Alas, take it away, sir!

EDIT: Just realised the first sentence is relative, as it's already noon in Australia.

Legate of Amon Lanc 12-01-2008 03:15 PM

All right. Hmm...

Mim was killed in his own halls.
Thingol was killed in his own halls.
Dáin I. was killed in his own halls.

Thinlómien 12-01-2008 03:19 PM

The first one is a lie, right?

Legate of Amon Lanc 12-01-2008 03:37 PM

Indeed. :) This one was relatively easy. You may give us a new one ;)

Thinlómien 12-01-2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc (Post 575986)
Indeed. This one was relatively easy. You may give us a new one

Yes, I was wondering whether you've changed your ways and started asking uncharacteristically easy questions, or whether that was a trick question of some sort and I'm just a little slow-witted... :p;) Okay, but I'll think of something. :)

Thinlómien 12-16-2008 05:26 AM

Blah I haven't been able to come up with something and it's just been too difficult for me, so I'll now write just whatever comes to my mind.

So, let's proceed...

1. Brytta was loved by his people.
2. Fastred and Folcred were brothers.
3. Goldwine was killed by Orcs.

The Might 12-16-2008 07:51 AM

The first two are correct, the last not, as Goldwine was not killed by Orcs as far as I know.

Thinlómien 12-16-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might (Post 577894)
The first two are correct, the last not, as Goldwine was not killed by Orcs as far as I know.

Indeed. :) Seemingly it wasn't too hard... :rolleyes::D Please take the thread, Miggy.


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