Not in Valinor, not an isle, not an afforested area, not Tol Eressea. It did not exist after the First Age, but the time when it ceased to exist was before the breaking of Thangorodrim.

I know this sounds curious but I have my reasons for asking...

Is this place in Beleriand?

Would Gondolin be a wild stab?

More than ten days since Gwaihir last posted...my turn!

Start asking...

Is it a person

YAY!! Go Nilpaurion!!! We need more action on this thread!

Is it an object?

Is it an object? Yes!

Is it a weapon

Did it exsist during WOTR?

Is it a weapon? No.

Did it exist during WOTR? Yes.

[ November 23, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Was it made by an elf?

Was it made by an elf? No.

was it owned by any of the nine walkers?

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Did it exist before the third age?

Is it made by dwarves?

Was it owned by any of the nine walkers? Afterwards, yes.

Did it exist before the third age? Yes.

Is it made by dwarves? No.

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Is it made of any kind of metal, or is there metal in it?

Sceptre of Annúminas?

Or if not that, the (original) Elendilmir?

<---- Thinks Saucepans got it [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Cant be the Elendilmir, as it was made by an elf...

For what it's worth, I think the Sceptre of Annúminas is more likely to be correct, but are you sure that the Elendilmir was made by an elf, Telchar (the first one - the second one certainly was). The most definite that I can find is "the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril*" with the * indicating an author's note: "For that metal was found in Númenor". The implication here seems to me to be that while the crystal was in origin Elvish, the item as a whole was put together in Númenor, and so presumably by men.

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Edit: I thought of an argument against the Elendilmir being made by men - Silmarien had it, which would make it nearly 6000 years old by the time of the War of the Ring, which might contradict the footnote in Appendix A of LotR: "[The Sceptre] of Annúminas was the silver rod of the Lords of Andúnië, and is now perhaps the most ancient work of Men's hands preserved in Middle-earth. It was already more than five thousand years old when Elrond surrendered it to Aragorn."

Is this the basis of your claim, Telchar? I would imagine that whoever wrote the footnote would have been aware that the original Elendilmir was still in existence and of its history (given the use of "already", the implication is that this is written some time after Elessar's succession, and so after Orthanc had been searched), but as it was not so prominent (we are told that Aragorn 'did not again emperil it', and wore it only on high-days), perhaps they could have overlooked it, or perhaps they did not know its exact history, or perhaps it was in fact unknown which of the two objects was older (and the footnote does say "perhaps")? Then again, perhaps the Elendilmir was made by elves, which would be a neater resolution of the problem. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Sorry for going so off-topic.

[ November 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Laurenendorian ]

Apology accepted. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

But please do try to avoid lengthy analysis of the answers on the Quiz threads. Might be a good topic for the Books forum though. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Sauce...no, it was actually the pokie-stick of Andunië.

What the Angband...you're right! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

[ 10:08 PM November 26, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Sausepans?

I am afraid that I overlooked this one. Thank you, Telchar, for reminding me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Ask away ...

Is it a cooking tool? (pot/pan) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Is it alive?

Come now, kitchen utensils are for wearing, not for guessing at. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Yes, "it" is (or was) alive, Nilpaurion. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ 9:28 PM December 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Was "it" mortal?

What? I never asked that?

Anywhen...is it Galdor? Was it from the First Age? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Ahem! Apologies to you both, Nilpaurian and Theron. It was late and I was under the affluence of incohol! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

To recap:

Yes, "it" is (or was) alive, Theron.

No, "it" was not mortal, Alatariel.

No, not Galdor, Nilpaurion, but "it" was around in the First Age.

[ 4:49 AM December 05, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Was it a servant of Morgorth?

No, it was not a servant of Morgoth.

Was it still around after the first age?

Not in Middle-earth, no.

Is 'it' male?

Is this as good as outcohol? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Anywhen...is it Finrod Felagund? Or is "it" Noldor? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Yes, he is male, Telchar. Thank you for allowing me to drop the "it". [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Nope, Nilpaurion, he's not of the Noldor.

OK, that makes him Sindar, Vanyar, Teleri, Avari, or Ainur...

Is he Oromë, or is he an Ainu? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Is he elvish?