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GreatWarg 05-25-2002 02:03 PM

Questions About Middle-earth and Numenor?
 
If you have ANY questions, post them up here for all to see and to repsond to! One MAJOR question I want to ask: Since there were Five Wizards that were sent to ME, what happened to the other two that went west with Saruman and never returned?

piosenniel 05-25-2002 02:08 PM

Were those the blue wizards?

Veritas 05-25-2002 02:13 PM

What are blue wizards?
I thought there was:
Sarumon the White
Gandalf the Grey
Radagast the Blue (or was it Brown)
(I don't know anyone else)

Are the blue wizards then somthing else, or am I just completely wrong?

[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Veritas ]

Ithaeliel 05-25-2002 02:36 PM

Me too, I thought there was only three wizards. BTW, what is Radagast called by the elves (like Gandalf being called Mithrandir and Saruman is Cúrunir)?

GreatWarg 05-25-2002 03:09 PM

There ARE blue wizards. But nobody is sure what happened to them.

lathspell 05-26-2002 01:09 PM

Yes, there were sent five Istari to Middle-earth. Their names were Olorin (Gandalf), Curumo (Saruman), Aiwendil (Radagast), and the two Blue Wizards (Ithryn Luin), named: Alatar and Pallando. These names are the names they had in Valinor and these are the only names which they had that are known to us for they had no names in the ME (at least not in the parts of ME of which the tales tell).
When they came to ME, Saruman went eastwards with Alatar and Pallando. Saruman returned and settled in Orthanc, Isengard. What has happened to the Blue Wizards is not known for sure, but in UT Christopher Tolkien writes the following:

Quote:

In a letter written in 1958my father said that he knew nothing clearly about 'the other two', since they were not concerned in the history of the North-west of Middle-earth.
'I think,' he wrote, 'they went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Númenórean range: missionaries to "enemy-occupied" lands, as it were. What success they had I do not know; but I fear they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect that they were founders or beginners of secret cults and "magic" traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.'
Olorin was sent by Manwë and Varda
Curumo was sent by Aule
Aiwendil was sent by Yavanna
Alatar and Pallando were sent by Oromë (for he had the greatest knowledge of the Valar about the far distant realms)

Ithaeliel - Aiwendil is the Quenya name of Radagast (meaning 'lover of birds'). This was his name on Aman. I don't know his Sindarin-name in Middle-earth. I doubt if it mentioned somewhere.

greetings,
lathspell

GreatWarg 05-27-2002 12:41 PM

Nicely put lathspell. Radagast was the Brown, but he didn't truly complete hsi Quest either because he became "obssessed" with animals and birds of ME. Only gandalf truly completed the Quest and returned to valinor.

Luineglin 05-27-2002 01:05 PM

yeah isnt there a theory that the 2 blue wizards started cults or somethin of the sort. Gandalf was the only one true to his task.

lathspell 05-27-2002 01:51 PM

GreatWarg - thank you... and yes, Gandalf was the only to complete the quest. It is (in any way not by me) not known why Radagast had was sent anyway. The only 'speculation' that I found in UT is that Yavanna wanted to sent him, I think for the protection of nature and not only of humanoids. It's the only thing I could think of.
If anyone knows the reason of Radagast being sent to ME, please tell.

Luineglin - yes, there is, as is said in the quote written above.

greetings,
lathspell

Joy 05-27-2002 02:04 PM

I have a question - well two actually [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

How far is it from Mithlond to Nogrod?

How far it it from Nogrod to Khazah-dùm?

Elrian 05-27-2002 02:20 PM

It didn't exist after the First Age, Nogrod was situated in the part of the Ered Luin that was destroyed at the end of the First Age, The lands changed and the town and harbour of Mithlond are now in that area that once was Nogrod. I had thought Belegost was the only surviver of that cataclysm since that part of the Ered Luin is still there, but that also was destroyed and it's people went to Moria. Two great books that can aid your research for your fanfic (quite good from what I've read [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) are The complete Guide to Middle Earth by Robert Foster and The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad. The first is like a Tolkien dictionary and the second has geographical maps of places and areas in different Ages of Time.


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