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Estelyn Telcontar 06-18-2004 04:03 AM

Which two women were responsible for getting Tolkien to finish writing The Hobbit in order to have it published?

Lindir 06-18-2004 10:39 AM

Was it Mrs. Tolkien and Mrs. Unwin? :confused: Oh, I dunno :rolleyes:

Estelyn Telcontar 06-18-2004 12:01 PM

Nice guess, Lindir, but it doesn't appear that those two ladies had that profound an effect on their respective husbands! :D I'm sorry, but finding this answer will take some researching in the biography.

The Squatter of Amon Rűdh 06-19-2004 05:50 AM

Prosaic muses of the Shire
 
Elaine Griffiths, a friend and former pupil of Tolkien's and Susan Dagnall from the staff of George Allen and Unwin.

Estelyn Telcontar 06-19-2004 06:27 AM

Right, Squatter, and we should be very thankful that they were friends, had the right connections, and were interested in Tolkien's story!

The Squatter of Amon Rűdh 06-19-2004 08:20 AM

The Professorial Iconoclast
 
Which item of statuary did Tolkien often employ as a hat stand?

Son of Númenor 06-23-2004 01:50 PM

Fedoras by Michelangelo
 
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that Professor Tolkien was wont to hang his cap on a replica of the Statue of David.

The Squatter of Amon Rűdh 06-23-2004 03:11 PM

Nice thought, but no
 
Good guess, but you want someone less biblical. The statue's in a place where Tolkien often had business.

Estelyn Telcontar 06-27-2004 07:00 AM

I remember reading this tidbit, but haven't located it in the chapters of the biography that I've paged through. It seems to me that it was in a library, at one of the colleges. Can you give a clue that will help narrow down the search a bit?

The Squatter of Amon Rűdh 06-27-2004 02:37 PM

A clue
 
This concerns the placement of Tolkien's own bust.

Estelyn Telcontar 06-28-2004 02:22 AM

Ah, I finally found it, in Letter 288 - JRRT hung his hat on the Tsar of Russia's bust! I wonder if his own, in the Oxford English Faculty Library, is used similarly today?!

The Squatter of Amon Rűdh 06-28-2004 03:02 AM

That's the one
 
Hardly anyone wears hats any more, so probably not. Maybe one day I'll do it, in revenge for the Czar's dignity.

Your turn, Estelyn.

Estelyn Telcontar 06-30-2004 12:47 AM

In which seaside town did the Tolkien family spend a holiday that inspired one of his children's stories?

The Saucepan Man 06-30-2004 02:41 AM

I'm guessing ...
 
... but was it the charming resort of Sidmouth?

Estelyn Telcontar 06-30-2004 03:29 AM

Nice guess, Saucy, but unfortunately not the correct answer...

Mariska Greenleaf 06-30-2004 03:32 AM

Was it the seaside town of Filey then?

Estelyn Telcontar 06-30-2004 03:35 AM

That's the one, Mariska! Family events there prompted him to invent the story of Roverandom.

Mariska Greenleaf 06-30-2004 03:54 AM

Edith had to sacrifice a lot to be Tolkien's wife, and life wasn't always that easy for her.
What did Tolkien call her, and how was she called by the wives of other Oxford professors?

Estelyn Telcontar 07-07-2004 11:28 PM

Ronald Tolkien called Edith "little one". I could not find a particular nickname that the Oxford wives gave her, though Carpenter's biography does mention that they said that "Mr Tolkien's wife did not call". That refers to the custom of calling = visiting each other, with the leaving of cards in expectation of a return visit.

Mariska Greenleaf 07-08-2004 01:12 AM

That was exactly what I was thinking of. Your turn, Estelyn! :)

Estelyn Telcontar 07-08-2004 11:49 AM

Next question
 
Which of Tolkien's children was born while he was away during WWI?

Bęthberry 07-12-2004 12:04 PM

That would be Tolkien's eldest child, John, born November 1917 and who now rests in the Wolvercote cemetary near JRR and Edith, if I am remembering correctly Squatter's Easter report of his second visit to the cemetary.

Estelyn Telcontar 07-12-2004 03:32 PM

Correct, Bęthberry! Next one's yours...

Bęthberry 07-13-2004 09:57 AM

Charge of the fright brigade
 
*catches the ball and throws it out again*

We are all aware of how much Tolkien loved language. Names were particularly important to him, not only their derivation but the giving of names as well.

What name did Tolkien give to his first car? And how did he drive it?

Fordim Hedgethistle 07-13-2004 01:01 PM

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What name did Tolkien give to his first car?
Bob?

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And how did he drive it?
While wearing a false moustache?

(I don't think I'm going to be very good at this game. . .)

Bęthberry 07-13-2004 02:20 PM

"Bob" is a very fine name, Fordim, one that I particuarly like, but unfortunately--or fortunately, as the case may be--Tolkien did not share my enthusiasm for Bob.

And, no, Tolkien was not given to imitating Hercule Poirot.

Nevertheless, welcome to the thread, Fordim!

*throws the ball out again.*

Mariska Greenleaf 07-14-2004 01:09 AM

Tolkien named the car "Jo", because of the first two signs on the license plate.
But how did he drove it??? Maybe with great care? Wearing a Panama hat? While smoking his pipe? I'm clueless on that one... :rolleyes:

Bęthberry 07-14-2004 10:14 AM

Yes indeed the ignoble beast was named 'Jo.' And that being the main question, why, I shall answer the rest myself, seeing as Squatter is not here to fulminate upon vehicles of the combustible engine kind.

Carpenter claimed that 'Jo' knocked down part of a dry-stone wall on a trip to visit Hilary Tolkien. Edith apparently refused to ride in Jo after that.

But the report I found the most illuminating was Carpenter's claim that, in order to make his way through busy main streets and onto side streets in Oxford, Tolkien would plough into the intersection crying heroicly to Jo, "Charge 'em and they scatter!"

Rather Rohirric of him, don't you think? Oxfordians should perhaps be thankful he decided to give up ownership of automobiles.

The driver's seat is now yours, Mariska Greenleaf.

Mariska Greenleaf 07-15-2004 02:28 AM

Thank you, BB!

What title did Tolkien himself prefer instead of "The return of the King", which according to him, gave it all away?

Estelyn Telcontar 07-15-2004 06:05 AM

He preferred 'The War of the Ring' - I would agree that it would have been better.

Mariska Greenleaf 07-16-2004 02:25 AM

So do I. The floor is yours, Estelyn!

Estelyn Telcontar 07-18-2004 10:31 AM

Which dialect of Middle English was Tolkien's specialty in his linguistic studies?

Bęthberry 07-18-2004 10:58 AM

I believe it was the West Midland dialect of Middle English, Estelyn.

Estelyn Telcontar 07-18-2004 11:20 AM

Absolutely correct, Ms. Bęthberry! Your turn...

Bęthberry 07-19-2004 08:30 AM

A 'gory story by any meaure
 
We likely are all aware of Tolkien's adamant denial in the Forward that LotR is an allegory. Yet, yet, in a draft of an undated letter, Tolkien does say what LotR is an allegory of.

What is that?

Mariska Greenleaf 07-19-2004 08:59 AM

I believe Tolkien thought of it more as an allegory of the human race, saying:

Quote:

.I’ve always been impressed that we’re here surviving because of the indomitable courage of quite small people against impossible odds: jungles, volcanoes, wild beasts... they struggle on, almost blindly in a way" (Interview by Dennis Gerrolt; it was first broadcast in January 1971 on BBC Radio 4 program "Now Read On…").
But I'm nog sure since you are referring to the letters. Maybe you are looking for another answer...

Bęthberry 07-19-2004 10:36 AM

You are correct, Mariska; I am looking for a different answer.

Tolkien uses the word allegory in his draft, first to deny what LotR is an allegory of. He then states what it is of.

There's two end prepositions, which I am proud of. :D

Fordim Hedgethistle 07-19-2004 10:46 AM

Ending a post with a preposition is something up with which I will not put!

Bęthberry 07-26-2004 09:43 AM

Please Mr. Postman
 
A hint, a hint for an answer to come up with?

This was a letter written in the month of "shoures soote", in the mid-fifties, sent to someone who appears one time only to have been written to.

*nods to Fordim and Churchill*

Child of the 7th Age 07-26-2004 10:23 AM

.......Child comes dragging in from vacation with her copy of the Letters in one hand and Canterbury Tales in the other

Bethberry,

I'll take a shot at this. There is a letter dated 10 April 1958 (lots of nice showers then!) that was sent to C. Ouboter, a Rotterdam bookseller whom Tolkien had just visited. In this letter, Tolkien first says this:

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As for 'message', I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth esepcially revealed to me!
But he then goes on to admit that , in rereading the book, he became "aware of the dominence of the theme of Death". He observes:

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But certainly Death is not an Enemy! I said, or meant to say, that the 'message' was the hideous peril of confusing true 'immortality' with limitless serial longevity. Freedom from Time, and clinging to Time. The confusion is the work of the Enemy, and one of the chief causes of human disaster.
Is this what you had in mind?

~Child


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