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Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720238)
Tarn Aeluin?

Purple the heather that grows on the mountains,
Blue for the mirror that stands all alone. - the lake of Tarn Aeluin is filled with mirror-like water, and surrounded by the mountains where heather grows
Green for the jewel, the sigil of honour, - Elessar, from which Aragorn, the descendant of Barahir, took his moniker
Yellow the crown of the lord of my own. - Barahir could be the 'lord' of Tarn
Orange the standard of he who rules over, - I can't find Barahir's standard, but I assume it to be orange
Red for the fire that burns to the bone. - A reference to Dagor Bragollach, and the rivers of lava Morgoth sent forth

You're actually inside the correct answer, and you're right on your interpretation of lines 1,2, and 6. :)

It's not the Elessar, though.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:23 AM

And I found your orange too


http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/8...Bor_device.gif


This is the standard of Beorians, Barahir's people. There is your orange.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:23 AM

Barahir would probably have used Beor's device, which per this page does actually contain some orange. But it's not the one I was thinking of.

(Whether the heraldry was in active use in Beleriand, or was created later and projected backwards, is a bit of an open question.)

hS

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720242)
And I found your orange too


http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/8...Bor_device.gif


This is the standard of Beorians, Barahir's people. There is your orange.

Hah, you beat me to it!

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:25 AM

So Tarn Aeluin is the correct answer.

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:30 AM

Wait, the lord of my own could mean the lord of its lord, ie. Barahir's lord, ie. Finrod, whose standard also contains orange. In which case, the jeewl line could refer to the Ring of Barahir.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720245)
So Tarn Aeluin is the correct answer.

No. Tarn Aeluin is inside the correct answer. I thought I said that?

hS

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720246)
Wait, the lord of my own could mean the lord of its lord, ie. Barahir's lord, ie. Finrod, whose standard also contains orange. In which case, the jeewl line could refer to the Ring of Barahir.

Correct, almost correct, and correct (which is why I didn't say anything to 'the Elessar is the only green stone').

The line of authority goes from Barahir (green) to Finrod (yellow, with his 'crown' of golden hair), to... who?

And, y'know, where is Barahir lord of?

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:33 AM

There is a dark green jewel in the middle of said ring.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720249)
There is a dark green jewel in the middle of said ring.

I know. Which isn't the Elessar, and is the green jewel referenced.

Do you know the answer to the riddle yet?

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:35 AM

After Finrod's death, it did go to Orodreth. And Barahir was the lord of Dorthonion.

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:35 AM

Dorthonion then?

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720251)
After Finrod's death, it did go to Orodreth.

A line of authority goes up. In this case, to Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor and Finrod's direct superior. His standard has orange flames in it.

Quote:

And Barahir was the lord of Dorthonion.
Yep! DORTHONION, location of Tarn Aeluin, burned down in the Bragollach, is the answer to the riddle.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:42 AM

Let me have some time to make another one, then.

Urwen 09-05-2019 04:52 AM

I liked yours. Now, for mine own:


Long ago, in lands of old
I came to existence, with hair of gold
The holder of my heart had golden hair too
And our love was pure and true

Long ago, we left the shores
Of a land we called our home
We did in on my behest, disappearing from all the tales
But we helped provide hope in the times yet to come

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720255)
I liked yours. Now, for mine own:


Long ago, in lands of old
I came to existence, with hair of gold
The holder of my heart had golden hair too
And our love was pure and true

Long ago, we left the shores
Of a land we called our home
We did in on my behest, disappearing from all the tales
But we helped provide hope in the times yet to come

Yesterday I was looking through Juliana Pinho's gallery, which reminded me of the fact I always forget: that Tuor and Idril were both blondes. So I have to make them my guess. I think it was Tuor who suggested they sail West, so he would be the speaker.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 720259)
Yesterday I was looking through Juliana Pinho's gallery, which reminded me of the fact I always forget: that Tuor and Idril were both blondes. So I have to make them my guess. I think it was Tuor who suggested they sail West, so he would be the speaker.

hS

Exactly right.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 07:23 AM

Good riddle! The first verse misdirected me to Valinor for a bit before I remembered the pictures.

"Oh my God!" I hear them cry
(or perhaps my ears deceive me):
All the gnomes, I think, and sigh,
Yell "Codswallop!" when they see me.

I am the front that grows on the trees,
The box that makes some wheezy.
Am I for beasts or am I quite sweet?
Not sure - but I'm certainly easy!


One answer, and you proooobably want to focus on the second half.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 07:28 AM

Well, the only thing that grows on trees are fruits...

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720262)
Well, the only thing that grows on trees are fruits...

I'm... pretty sure that's not true.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 07:49 AM

And also leaves. Leaves of Lorien?

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720264)
And also leaves. Leaves of Lorien?

Nope. Just looking at half of one line isn't going to get you anywhere, I'm afraid.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:08 AM

So I need to solve the box line too?

Let's see....I came across Debain (wheezy) Gnome upon consulting google...

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:09 AM

VirtualBox.

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:10 AM

So Leavirtual or something?

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:11 AM

Noldor are sometimes referred to as 'gnomes'.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720269)
Noldor are sometimes referred to as 'gnomes'.

I think this is the first relevant thing you've said. ;)

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:14 AM

Finglas, also known as Leaflock? Locked box could make some people wheezy, especially when they're locked inside of it. :p

Urwen 09-05-2019 08:16 AM

So something that Noldor don't think of as very valuable, that start with lea or leaf?

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720271)
Finglas, also known as Leaflock? Locked box could make some people wheezy, especially when they're locked inside of it. :p

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720272)
So something that Noldor don't think of as very valuable, that start with lea or leaf?

No and no. Like I said, 'Gnome = Noldo' is the first relevant thing you've said.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:09 AM

Well, only fruits, leaves and flowers grow on trees.

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720274)
Well, only fruits, leaves and flowers grow on trees.

Strictly speaking you've left off bark (and a whole bunch of animals if you want to get picky - do squirrels grow on trees?). But yes, the thing that half-line refers to is a type of one of those three things.

Each line of the second half of the riddle, and each couplet of the first half, separately reveals the answer. So you've got six different ways to find it! :D

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:24 AM

Based on your wording, I think that certain capital letters spell the answer.

But in case it's not, does that half-line refer to the half of the name of whatever grows on trees?

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720276)
Based on your wording, I think that certain capital letters spell the answer.

I... have no idea what I said to make you think that. :eek: No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720276)
But in case it's not, does that half-line refer to the half of the name of whatever grows on trees?

No. Why would it only be half? Oh... I see. No. :)

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:30 AM

Because it says 'Front', as in front half, or first half. Unless you only mean first letter.

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:33 AM

I might be an idiot, but I just can't see what are the lines of the second stanza referring to.....

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720278)
Because it says 'Front', as in front half, or first half. Unless you only mean first letter.

Yeah, I see; I don't mean any of those things. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720279)
I might be an idiot, but I just can't see what are the lines of the second stanza referring to.....

Ah, well, let me expla--

Haaaaaang on. >_> You're not going to catch me out that easily.

Two lines of the second stanza are (I guess) cryptic clues; the other two are (I suppose) straight.

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:36 AM

So all of the Noldor yell 'Nonsense' when they see the answer?

Huinesoron 09-05-2019 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720281)
So all of the Noldor yell 'Nonsense' when they see the answer?

Nope; the riddle-speaker thinks the Gnomes yell "Codswallop!" and "Oh my God!". But as line 2 establishes, the speaker's hearing might not be the best. :)

hS

Urwen 09-05-2019 09:47 AM

So something which sounds like 'Codswallop'?

'Gods gallop'?

Orome?


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