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The Saucepan Man 06-13-2006 06:07 PM

OK, I'm in. But I probably won't be able to log in until 20 June. Presumably, since the game starts with a Night phase, that won't be a problem.

I'm looking to scale down my level of participation, but I say that every time ... :rolleyes:

Happy to go Dutch. Happy, on the other hand, to respect the wishes of the majority.

No issue with either start time. In either event, I am unlikely to be around at the close of the day ...

... which means:

- - Retractable Votes

... after my recent experience of their potential consequences. I prefer it anyway when the vote is cast in stone when made.

I shall be Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler. Naval commander, retired. Taking the voyage for a constitutional, after a nasty bout of gout, brought on by excessive port consumption.

JennyHallu 06-13-2006 06:36 PM

++10 PM

Because 8 AM London time is a truly horrific hour in the US. East Coast, anyway.

Nilpaurion Felagund 06-13-2006 07:32 PM

I'm in the minority . . .
 
*sigh* As expected.

But that won't let me be silenced!

++8 hours after the changing of the day in London

Add seven hours, and that's 3pm here. Perfect!

mormegil 06-13-2006 07:37 PM

++8AM

It would allow me to me more active near the end as 10PM is right at the end of my work day and it gets very difficult to spend the better part of my work day trying to be active and maintain some level of productivity.

I'll be the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything...wait isn't that normal? :rolleyes:

Formendacil 06-13-2006 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith
An academic question (it's of course entirely up to Cailin how she runs her game)
WW involves lying to our friends and killing them. It also involves reading sometimes extremely graphic descriptions of cannibalistic violence (how graphic depends on the mod, but I've read stuff on here that I would call pretty immoderate, gore-wise) So what is the issue with same-sex Lovers, purely for convenience because there are too many female players?

As far as moral issues go... I've not got a HUGE problem- though it DOES come perilous close to condoning it... though one could say that about the deaths and lying as well.

No, the big issue for me would be that I ended up one of the Lovers, I'd not have any fun with it. :p

Oh, and despite not making a huge issue of it, I definitely want to be counted as opposed to it.

EDIT:

Morm? You? Nitpick?

Didn't I just see "Sauruman" (or was it "Sauraman"?) in a post of yours very recently? Some thread about Radagast the Brown...

~Revenge is a dish best served cold~

mormegil 06-13-2006 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Formendacil
As far as moral issues go... I've not got a HUGE problem- though it DOES come perilous close to condoning it... though one could say that about the deaths and lying as well.

No, the big issue for me would be that I ended up one of the Lovers, I'd not have any fun with it. :p

Oh, and despite not making a huge issue of it, I definitely want to be counted as opposed to it.

EDIT:

Morm? You? Nitpick?

Didn't I just see "Sauruman" (or was it "Sauraman"?) in a post of yours very recently? Some thread about Radagast the Brown...

~Revenge is a dish best served cold~

No it was Saurman a mere typo and I'm not sure what the revenge is for but meh.

However I fully agree with you about the lovers issue, I simply would not have any enjoyment out of it and I do not condone it at all.

Yes I'm conservative.

Firefoot 06-13-2006 08:30 PM

Can I still sign up? I haven't been sure about how soon Lommy's/Nogrod's game would be ending and have been putting off signing up, but with this later start date all should be good. I've been wanting to play in a village with lovers and was disappointed to have missed the last one.

++10 PM

Since 8 AM is about 2:00 in the morning where I live, if I'm not mistaken... sorry, I don't stay up that long, not even for you guys. :p If we do go with that, my votes would be roughly 4 hours early. Which, I suppose, isn't so bad, compared to what I've gone through before, and nighttime is more flexible than dealing with school hours.

I don't like the idea of same-sex lovers.

Extremely interesting rules, Ang. :D I guess I'd have the misfortune of being one of those euthanized players, though...

Caranlondien 06-13-2006 08:44 PM

I suppose I'm voting

++10pm

and

--Retractable Votes

As for an occupation, I'll be the ship's bartender.

Márcolië Lamen 06-13-2006 09:31 PM

As for times I'd work with either, because I'll stay up until 3 AM in order to play, but 10 PM would be easier than 8 AM, for me.
So I guess I'd vote
++10 PM, but if it comes down to making it harder for many others I'd rather have it be 8 AM and have more active people than 10 PM and less, because I'd be able to do either.


--Retractable Voting

Gurthang 06-13-2006 09:51 PM

Well, 10PM would probably be better for me, although I am thinking my time spent here will be somewhat less than normal anyway.

I've never played with retractable votes, so I'm game for that.

++Retractable Votes

As far as same-sex lovers: I'm undecided. I am (being yet another conservative North American) against the idea in real life. But on the other hand, it is just a game, so I don't think it'd be too big a deal. That is, as long as Cailín doesn't make any overblown, highly-detailed, highly-graphic, R-rated same-sex lover narrations. :p If that happened, I'd be forced to shudder and look away until the scene passed. ;) :D

Diamond18 06-13-2006 10:32 PM

On the matter of same-sex lovers (is this even an option or are we talking about this while Cailín is rolling her eyes? oh well)

I was giving this some thought earlier when thinking up my own variation on the Lovers, and I decided that when it came time for recruitment I would say that it's possible though not guarunteed that one or more of my Lover Duos would be of the same sex. I was going to say that if anyone objected to being paired as a Lover with a member of the same sex, they had to PM me with their opinion, and not voice it on the game thread OR I WOULD BE MOST DISPLEASED!!! :mad:

The idea behind this is that, first and foremost, it prevents people from being able to quickily and easily narrow down who can and cannot be Lovers. Allowing players to privately PM the Mod is sort of like Dueling Wizards in reverse. Instead of private volunteering to be a Wizard, private un-volunteering to be a same-sex Lover.

And, as Gurthang points out, it's not like the mod is going to be writing steamy erotica anyway. The most we can expect is tears over the corpse and matching graves to go with those embroided towels.

But, you all had to go blasting your opinions all over the place without asking MY OPiNION FIRST AND I AM MOST DISPLEASED!!! :mad: :p

On other matters:

Deadline, whatever.

No retractables. It just means that if you aren't around at the deadline, your vote doesn't count. That's pretty much how I see it. *shrug*

Diamond18 06-13-2006 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith
EDIT: I'd particularly wish to introduce stringent Euthanasia legislation for kilt-wearers. But as he's not even playing, as yet...

Heh. I suppose I might as well admit that I PM'ed a certain Downer who fits that description with a "nudge nudge we're on a ship, ooh pirates" sort of message. He seems to be ignoring me, though. :D

Lhunardawen 06-13-2006 11:00 PM

++10 PM because I'm used to being in the weird time zone. Besides, I'm still in my last class for the day on 8 AM (which is 3 PM here, thanks Nilp).

Also, --retractable votes.

And no same-sex Lovers!

As for my occupation, I shall be a seasick reluctant traveler.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond18
Heh. I suppose I might as well admit that I PM'ed a certain Downer who fits that description with a "nudge nudge we're on a ship, ooh pirates" sort of message. He seems to be ignoring me, though. :D

Indeed? Let me give that a try... :D

Cailín 06-14-2006 12:00 AM

Aww, Di, I'm sorry. But I think most of us know (indeed - I knew beforehand almost exactly who'd protest against the idea of same-sex Lovers) our fellow Downers too well to not be able to guess.

I am rolling my eyes. We all agree different sex Lovers are cool. Some of us are opposed to the other kind of pairing. Then the choice is easily made - in my opinion. :)

Firefoot - since we are not having the same-sex Lovers, I will be forced to put you on the maybe list. The game is already unbalanced in favour of the women, so we need some male sign ups first.

Please continue the voting!

Taliesin 06-14-2006 06:14 AM

I'm in!
 
Well, since I'm already on the list of players I won't be asking if there's place for me but just confirming that I will be playing.

I just have to think of a job thingie.. ;)

Oh and 10 PM would work perfectly for me, asking me to get up at 8 AM during my holidays.. well my sis knows that won't happen :p .

And

--Retractable Votes .

The Saucepan Man 06-14-2006 06:52 AM

Taliesin, I don't know where you're based, but you do realise that it's 10pm UK time (currently GMT+1).

It has occured to me that I will be able to stick around much closer to the deadline if it's 10pm rather than 8am. So ...

++ 10pm

I am conservative too, by the way, which means that I hold true to traditional Tory libertarian values.

So, if I were feeling mischievous, I would be tempted to ask why those who feel that they would have no fun with a same-sex lover role are perfectly capable of having fun as a bloodthirsty werewolf ...

But I'm not, so I won't. :p :D

JennyHallu 06-14-2006 07:38 AM

Sauce...Taliesin is the famed Not-Cailin. He's based where Cailin is based.

The Saucepan Man 06-14-2006 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JennyH
Sauce...Taliesin is the famed Not-Cailin. He's based where Cailin is based.

Doh! I knew that. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Taliesin, HONK! :p ;)

Diamond18 06-14-2006 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailín
Aww, Di, I'm sorry. But I think most of us know (indeed - I knew beforehand almost exactly who'd protest against the idea of same-sex Lovers) our fellow Downers too well to not be able to guess.

Yeah, probably. I do prefer straight Lovers myself, from the RP and narrative aspects, I just think it's rather a bit of a disadvantage to both the Lovers and the Wolves -- so long as the Village knows there's no chance of it being otherwise. But here I am thinking like a Wolf/Lover when I am bound by fate to be an innocent of the ordinary persuasion. So, okay, no same-sex Lovers, it'll give those nasty wolves an easier time to hide!


Quote:

Firefoot - since we are not having the same-sex Lovers, I will be forced to put you on the maybe list. The game is already unbalanced in favour of the women, so we need some male sign ups first.
Maybe you should join Lhuna and me in the Eomer-pestering. :D

Eomer of the Rohirrim 06-14-2006 09:49 AM

*wipes tear*

I feel so desired, even if it's only to see me hang. Ok, I'm in. ;)

JennyHallu 06-14-2006 10:07 AM

I think they should be long-lost Twins or something rather than Lovers. Think of the fun to be had with the narrations!

Diamond18 06-14-2006 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim
*wipes tear*

I feel so desired, even if it's only to see me hang. Ok, I'm in. ;)

Yay! I know who I'm voting for Day 1! *does a little dance*

Mithalwen 06-14-2006 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man
I am conservative too, by the way, which means that I hold true to traditional Tory libertarian values.

So, if I were feeling mischievous, I would be tempted to ask why those who feel that they would have no fun with a same-sex lover role are perfectly capable of having fun as a bloodthirsty werewolf ...

Or indeed seemingly have no problem with the possibility of a married downer being the lover of someone who is not their spouse... :rolleyes:

Lalaith 06-14-2006 11:25 AM

I know, these wild crazy Yanks, if they're not guzzling away at each other's bloodied corpses they're committing shameless adultery, makes me feel like Mary Whitehouse*, I tell you....;)

*Translator's note, UK equivalent of Jerry Falwell...

The Saucepan Man 06-14-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mith
Or indeed seemingly have no problem with the possibility of a married downer being the lover of someone who is not their spouse...

Indeed. And no one seemed to have any qualms over me committing virtual bigamy in the Duelling Wizards game either. :eek: :D

Caranlondien 06-14-2006 01:45 PM

As one of the apparently few non-conservative North Americans, I have nothing against Werewolf with same-sex lovers. But as this is rather a hot-button issue (well, I don't know about the rest of the world, but here it is, at least), I find Cailín's ruling quite sensible.

Though I did find Lalaith's comment funny :D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith
I know, these wild crazy Yanks, if they're not guzzling away at each other's bloodied corpses they're committing shameless adultery


Rune Son of Bjarne 06-14-2006 02:00 PM

Not a big issue here. If anything people think that it's only natural that same sex marriages should be allowed.

I am pro, but don't really care. . .

Mithalwen 06-14-2006 02:00 PM

I find it both ironic (I live in a country where same sex unions are legal but sexual discrimination isn't) and a dangerous threat to the divine right of moderators. Moderators should be free to choose the game format. Players are free to join or not. The tail should not wag the dog .... yes I am a liberal-tyrant...... :p

Roa_Aoife 06-14-2006 03:56 PM

Quote:

Sauce...Taliesin is the famed Not-Cailin. He's based where Cailin is based.
*gasp!* Not- Cailin? Not-Cailin! You're back! YAY!!!!!!!! *glomp* I'm calling you Not-Cailin forever! Or NC for short. You're not 17 are you?


Wow, I make one itsy bitsy comment about some of the funny situations randomly picked lovers could create, and look what happens! From my personal perspective, I'm morally against it. (RIGHT WING NUT, OVER HERE) however, from a gaming perspective (and a realistic perspective) we should allow it. If the lover's are picked randomly, then we won't be able to narrow things down. Besides, there' no garruntee that if they're picked randomly then they will be the same sex. So if we want a good game then they ought to be random.

Also ++10 pm

++ limited retractables

Lhunardawen 06-14-2006 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond18
Yay! I know who I'm voting for Day 1! *does a little dance*

Was about to say that myself... *evil grin* Ah well. Nice to see you here, big bro. ;)

Hmm...if we can't get any more male players, then I'm fine with same sex "Lovers." Just please call them anything but Lovers, please?

Welcome to Werewolf, Taliesin! Funny you didn't choose to call yourself Not-Cailin...'cause it seems that's what people will call you even with your name. :D

Anguirel 06-15-2006 08:35 AM

Now, now. Don't make him feel so overshadowed...

We don't call Fea "Not-Keeper of Dol Guldur", do we? Not-Cailin may yet fade out...

Diamond18 06-15-2006 11:41 AM

Not-Nilp, Not-Aiwendil... the possibilities are endless...

Mithalwen 06-15-2006 11:57 AM

But it is a compliment really so smooth was the takeover that "I can't believe it's not Cailin" might have been closer to the mark..... :D

Kath 06-15-2006 03:21 PM

Quote:

But it is a compliment really so smooth was the takeover that "I can't believe it's not Cailin" might have been closer to the mark.....
Agreed, he's as good as she is. I couldn't believe both of them suspected me :rolleyes:

Gurthang 06-15-2006 04:26 PM

Okay, I'm completely out of the loop. Somebody please clue me into the whole Not-Cailín thing. :confused:

Nogrod 06-15-2006 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurthang
Somebody please clue me into the whole Not-Cailín thing. :confused:

He's Cailín's brother who took the place of Cailín in a WW-game just some time ago as she had to be away for two Days (or something like that) - and he played really well! We just started to call him non/not-Cailín in that game, and it seems to have sticked...

So welcome Taliesin! Nice to see you here as yourself!

Durelin 06-15-2006 06:36 PM

This whole opinions thing about the same-sex lovers confuses me. Please don't hate me, but it's a little much to bring up any personal opinions over a game.

Anyway.

I can't really vote for the time because either way it isn't good for me, so I'll go with what's good for the majority.

And...

--Retractable Votes

Much more fun and doomsday like that way. *rubs hands together and giggles with glee*

Rune Son of Bjarne 06-15-2006 06:48 PM

I don't care about the time since I never know when I am up anyway, I was thinking about hating Durelin for a second, but then decidet that I could not be botherd.


I have already said I am pro the same sex thing, but I dont really care. . .

the only thing left for me is to find an occupation and do this

--Retractable Votes


Edit: I was not serious about considering hating Durelin, it takes a whole lot more for me to hate people. (to who ever that thought otherwise)

There was not even anything in Durelins post that could get me the slightest annoyed/angry what ever. If people were to say "please don't hate me" in a conversation, it is very likely that I would say more or less the same thing as I wrote just before. It is the way I am, but I will try to remember putting in a smily the next time or not write it at all.

Nilpaurion Felagund 06-15-2006 07:19 PM

Hey, Durelin!
 
Won't you be a Jounin instructor, for li'l old me? *bambi eyes* It would be hard to be the only high-level ninja (and Sharingan user) aboard.

And just imagine the fight scenes we could come up with on DAY 1 . . . Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu!

:rolleyes: Oh, brother. Please throw me overboard.

Durelin 06-15-2006 07:25 PM

I was actually considering such options, Nilp... :D

And don't worry about it, Rune...I'm not overly concerned with who hates me and doesn't, anyway. :p

I like smilies, though. If you can't tell...


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