Or even dramatic. But melodramatic?

Due to complications Sally is going to be about a half an hourish late. I will post all the next round stuff soon after.

Melodramatic? Yes. Ridiculous? Certainly. Uncensored, uncloaked, and unacceptable.

++Gandalf the Grey Uncloaked

Predictable, but....sometimes there are just those cards, you know? :smokin:


Sorry for the delay, everyone. Busy day.

:smokin: ^.^

No problem with the delay, but you should be sorry for your unimaginative decision... :rolleyes: :)

Lottie is the winner of "melodramatic"

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Gwath - 2 (Neglected, Charming)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
Kitanna - 1 (Deadly)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
sally - 1 (Chewy)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)

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ROUND 14

Nogrod for "rank"...again have fun picking the winner out of this grouping:

The Prancing Pony
Azog
Aragorn
Orthanc
The Dead Marshes
Turgon
Harry Goatleaf
Chief Wolf
Tom Huggins
Aule

*I caught another error (at least it was minor) that The Prancing Pony was actually not an red tater sent to me for "chewy" so, it's been removed from the previous list it has since been sent to me for this round.*
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ROUND 15


Green tater: Dangerous (threatening, hazardous, fortified)
Judge: Wilwa

Just eyed the candidates and am going to sleep right now, but I must say The Dead Marshes are the slight favourites... although I can see many kinds of potential arising from there.

So looking forwards to your comments.

In a cross while posting the new round...Aule was sent to me for "Rank". So Aule is also added.

Aragorn is just funny. Made me giggle. But I don't think it's really enough to pick it. Dead Marshes would work better, methinks.

And, question: Tom Huggins? I thought it was Bill Huggins. Not that it matters that much, they're both worth each other's company...

I thought they were all related. Tom, Bill and Bert. I could have just made that up though.

They certainly could have. Maybe I just don't remember. I just remember that Bill is the only one with a last name. :p

Anywho...

The Prancing Pony - I'd imagine there's a reek of beer and pipeweed smoke in that place.

Azog - he's an orc. Just ask Merry and Pip about orc perfumes, they'll tell you that and a good many good things besides.

Aragorn - now how many baths did you say he had during his time Rangering?

Orthanc - what do you think it smelled like before the Ents cleaned it out with fresh Isen water? Saruman's army, machines, burning Ents...

The Dead Marshes - come on, even Gollum was disgusted.

Turgon - I suppose he's one of rank, but that's giving the word a completely different meaning.

Harry Goatleaf - he's certainly not the nicest guy around, but I don't know how rank he is...

Chief Wolf - I don't really get this pick.

Tom Huggins - ahaha! Do trolls ever take baths at all?

Aule - imagine what poor Yavanna has to go through after that guy gets ut of his smithy! :eek:

Hey! I'm pretty much influencable this round, so let your thoughts rain in!

I'm now going for the choir rehersals and will be by the computer maybe an hour before the DL (about 5 hours from now) so you have ample time, and I will make my decision only around the DL if you stil want to make influence.

The Prancing Pony- Probably smells of spilled beer and hobbit-feet.
Azog- Orcs are probably smelly, right?
Aragorn- Wanders about the wilderness without changing clothes.
Orthanc- Nah. Probably kept pretty clean.
The Dead Marshes- Filled with dead, wet things.
Turgon- Perhaps a "stinky" personality.
Harry Goatleaf- Were Bree-men known for smelliness?
Chief Wolf- Smelled like dog, only worse probably.
Tom Huggins- I would guess trolls smell bad.
Aule- I'm going to say no.

The Prancing Pony is an inn in a hobbit town - I can't imagine it being too filthy or smelly.
Azog is an Orc. Enough said.
Aragorn needs more baths, but I don't know that I would say 'rank', necessarily.
Orthanc was, at one point, pretty hideous, what with all the Orcs and trees and pollution. I'd call that bit of its history rank.
The Dead Marshes fit the card, for sure.
Turgon. Really? I'm not seeing this one.
Harry Goatleaf was unsavory, perhaps, but not necessarily rank.
Chief Wolf. Wolves aren't that bad, really...I wouldn't choose this one.
Tom Huggins could work. I don't think it's the best choice, though.
Aule was a Valar. I can't imagine him being horribly rank.

There are approximately 2 more rounds of new red taters I can pass out. Few options then:

1. Recycle the played cards.
2. Make up new/additional ones.
3. After they all run out, since we're done at Round 20 just go with what's in your "hand" and there won't be any replacement red taters after round 17 or 18.

I vote for 3.

So a busy day behind and sadly still things to do so I don't have time for any deep analysis on the suggested taters...

So unless someone comes up with a brilliant idea otherwise, I'm going to pick my tater from the following:

The Dead Marshes - like someone said even Gollum didn't enjoy it...

Tom - one doesn't hold it too likely trolls ever bathe or brush their teeth. ;)

Azog & The Chief Wolf - same as with Tom, but on a smaller scale and less funny.


If Strider would have been suggested I might have considered him, but Aragorn... no.

The idea of the Prancing Pony being smelly "smells like" the PJ movies more than the books - so disregarded.

Orthanc? No. I can't figure Saruman the White or Manycoloured living in a stinking pile of waste.


Your last chance to make an influence starts now - and ends in fifteen minutes. :p

Me too.

We know Gollum was disgusted with pure things (and cooked food) but seemed to go fine with many things we'd consider rank, smelly, odorous, or stinky.

But there seemed to be one place on that rank-side that was too much even for him. Need we say more?

++ The Dead Marshes

Down near the final stretch, Gwath is now even with the phantom! :smokin:

Tally

the phantom - 3 (Honest, Insane, Violent)
Gwath- 3 (Neglected, Charming, Rank)
Nogrod - 2 (Extraordinary, Peaceful)
Gwath - 2 (Neglected, Charming)
Menel - 2 (Cuddly, Ridiculous)
Kitanna - 1 (Deadly)
Lhuna - 1 (Weary)
sally - 1 (Chewy)
Lottie- 1 (Melodramatic)

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ROUND 15

Wilwa you are to judge which of these is most "dangerous"...I think a sensible argument can be made for every one of these...

Elendil
palantiri
Barad-dur
Sauron
Minas Morgul
Misty Mountains
Caranthir
House of Ransom
The Barrow-wight
Silmarils
Beruthiel

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ROUND 16

Green tater: Attractive (alluring, engaging, good-looking)
Judge: G55

Uhh... what a round! :eek:

I'm afraid we're going to need the other descriptions a lot this time around...

aka. dangerous (threatening, hazardous, fortified).

What a round indeed! These take some sorting. I don't have much time, but in my quick glance-over some clear contenders emerge...

Sauron trumps his own places of course-
Barad-Dur
Minas Morgul

I'm confident Sauron trumps the characters-
Elendil
Caranthir
The Barrow-Wight
Beruthiel

For remaining places Misty Mts trumps House of Ransom.

For objects Silmarils trumps palantiri.

So, we are left with the final contenders...
Sauron
Misty Mts
Silmarils

(Someone has caught up, eh? Better start playing the winner-cards then- I've tossed enough aside where I have good ones left mostly.)

Dangerous (threatening, hazardous, fortified)


Let's not be too hasty Mr. phantom... :rolleyes: These all are "dangerous" in different ways - and we can and should argue which of them might be seen as more dangerous than some other. But in this kind of situation I think the other descriptions aid one pretty much and make the game more interesting.

So let me offer another quite hasty analysis...
They are all dangerous, threatening and hazardous - but both Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul are far better matches for "fortified" than Sauron (Sauron may go into a fortification or build one around him, but he is not himself fortified in a way a place is!). So actually one should argue that Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul both trump Sauron.


He might or he might not. But as he has lost to both Barad Dûr and Minas Morgul already that doesn't actually matter any more... :)

Here I would just plain disagree. With the House of Ransom all the qualities are concentrated in one place and have a devastating effect to one of the greatest struggles of the whole legendarium whereas Misty Mountains are great in many respects but too wide - and thus diluted - to make a similarly strong impression. I mean that fex. it is not that The Misty Mountains are fortified as such - and there were times and places where the Misty Mts. were not dangerous or hazardous... What I mean is that they are too grand both in time and space to really make it - whereas the House of Ransom is a special place that is exactly fitted into the fates of Túrin, Beleg & co. (the concept "House of Ransom" doesn't describe the hill as such through the ages but the pivotal point of these remarkable adventures - being the concept of danger and hazard itself)

This I might accept indeed, even if I'm not sure you can thusly discard the palantiri... But just as a comparison you sure have something that touches my nerve as well.


So as all of these are dangerous, threatening and hazardous, I would throw away the persons first (they are not fortified in the same sense) and would then compare the places & objects (which sure were most of the time inside fortifications). I mean that seems to be the only way to prooduce a fair difference between cast A choices and cast B choices... :cool:

Black Numenorean Cat Lady. That's all I'm going to say.

I'm pretty sure Sauron and the Silmarils are more dangerous than the Misty Mountains.

Between Sauron and the Silmarils, though, I'd go with Sauron. The Silmarils will only harm you if you're evil, at least if I remember correctly. Sauron, on the other hand, tends to be just as dangerous an ally as he is an enemy.

I think Sauron is the clear choice here.

Nog- Well sure if we go strictly by the word "fortified" then places become better options, but the word is "dangerous", not "fortified". Let's not get side-tracked on what is by far the least synonymous of the secondary words offered. ;)

(Unless you are particularly wishing to, in which case I can let it drag out longer.) :p

Besides, Sauron still trumps Barad-Dur and Minas Morgul because they are only dangerous because of him. When Sauron perishes, so perishes the foundations of Barad-Dur, so that one is quite plain. And Minas Morgul is only named so (rather than Minas Ithil) thanks to Sauron's ownership, so again that seems plain.

And the House of Ransom would likely prove a dangerous place to go during the years of Turin's stay, but no one ever did go there because the way was not known. And never mind the countless years before that when no one went there. When unwelcome guests finally did show up, they showed up in force and slaughtered the folk there, so it only proved dangerous to the dwellers, and only that one time. Where as the Misty Mts were frequently traversed and often with disastrous results (wolves, orcs, weather, etc.). So quantitatively it's proven more dangerous.

I don't particularly want to toss palantirs so early, but I can't help it next to Silmarils. Not only do they scorch anything that isn't pure, but the wreaked such terrible damage in the world (Morgoth's lust for them drove him, Feanor guarded them so jealously, the Valar's request for them pushed Feanor over the brink, Beren & Luthien's adventure, Carcharoth, Feanor's sons destroying Doriath & the sea-side colony, etc.

And then there's obviously Sauron- the largest destructive force in the world during the second and third ages, and one of the tops of the first. I mean- he's the one that created/finished orcs and trolls, and look at the many results of that. Plus werewolves at Tol-In-Gaurhoth of course, and slaughtering Elves and Men in the second age halted only by Numenor- which he eventually destroyed through trickery. And need we recap the War of the Ring?

Sauron and the Silmarils seem to be in their own category. One simply wants nothing to do with them, and survival rate isn't high when one gets in close proximity... and Misty is sort of my heart's fond choice (memories from imagining them first time reading Hobbit & LotR).

All the taters are dangerous. Ditto, let's look at the other descriptions to help.

I mean if there was only one dangerous thing, two threatening ones and five fortified I'd say let's pick the dangerous one as that is the main word. But these all are dangerous - so we need other factors in!

You don't seem to get the idea with the House of Ransom (or you pretend not to for some reason :)). It is not Amon Rûdh we're talking about here. That is a hill standing there for ages until it was swept under the sea (like Misty Mountains are just a mountain range standing there). But to be the "House of Ransom" is referring to a certain story; death, tragedy, threat, danger, hazard, fortified...

I mean if you had more specific places with a story and real impact like Moria, Caradhras, or Carn Dûm or something you could make a case... but Misty Mountains as such? A pile of rocks...

Also the Silmarils. They were bad for Fëanor and his tribe after the vow Fëanor made. But that's it. Quite limited danger there: only dangerous to the baddies, in a way.

And Sauron then? He's dangerous, threatening, hazardous even... yes he is (there are better candidates for "fortified" whatever you say). But choosing him would be as unimaginative as picking Morgoth had he been available. Or like choosing Pronghorn antelope as the "fast" when the Cheetah was not available. Dull...

Personally, I think Silmarils trump Bar-en-Danwedh. Who was the latter dangerous for? It was certainly a significant part of a story with lots of danger in it, but was it actually dangerous on its own? There were 52 men living in it. One of them was dangerous. But his "innate" danger does not make his house dangerous (as Barad-dur is not dangerous simply because Sauron resides there).

The Silmarili, on the other hand, posess the danger themselves. They are not only dangerous to hose who try to touch them without a right to do so. They pretty much hold the fate of Arda. They have a great power inside of them. They are more than just shiny rocks. I would say that they are even more dangerous than the One Ring. They also have a will of their own, and that will, I would say, is much stronger than the Ring's. For one thing, the Ring's power is limited to what Sauron put in it. The Silmarils hold the fate of all the world, Sauron included. Then, if you consider it, a continent was sunk and almost all its population was destroyed because of -you name it - Silmarils! We know less about them than the Ring, but it doesn't mean they aren't powerful and dangerous.

So if you think the Ring is dangerous (and who wouldn't, duh, that's what LOTR is about, right?) I say the Silmarilii are even more so.

I was informed this morning there was a mistake, as someone accidentally sent their "attractive" choice to the judge, G55.

So, what I'm going to then is have MCR judge the upcoming round "attractive." And then G55 will judge the following round.

Wilwa is having lots of RL smush, so we'll extend this round another day. And let her have the time to read the arguments for the most "dangerous" red tater.

As I said earlier, the tater is not Bar-en-Danwedh or Amon Rûdh but "the House of Ransom". It is not a concept naming a physicl thing in the ME (a hill) but a poetic concept becoming a symbol of danger, threat, hazard...

If you face Sauron or Gothmog in a battle it is terror and death you face. If you are Túrin or one of his followers you meet with danger, threat and hazard - and it is there all the time around you and you never know when or how something's gonna happen - unlike with the pure onslaught of an enemy who is openly attacking you or trying to destroy you.

And Mîm did eventually betray them making that threat real and deadly thus earning the symbolic value the House of Ransom carries with it.

Ransom is something that is claimed and they all knew it would be - none just knew how it would happen - the cliffhanger then!

Still nothing from wilwa? Hopefully she has the time to come on soon and make a decision. If not would anyone object if I name the winner, despite knowing everyone's taters?

In the meantime we'll just proceed to attractive and MCR will judge this round.

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ROUND 16

"Attractive" -

Anduril
Tilion
Forlong the Fat
Lotho Pimple
Luthien
White Tower of Ecthelion
Silent Watcher
Arkenstone
Boromir

And how about this...

Earendil
Elwing

heh :p

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ROUND 17

Green tater: Sensitive (susceptible, sympathetic, tender)
Judge: G55

*Everyone should at this point have 7 red taters left. All of them have been used, or are currently in players hands...erm pm boxes?*

Have you Boro considered a concept of a double-win? :cool:

Hmmm... those are both VERY attractive options... I'll have to do somethinking for this one...

ATTRACTIVE

Luthien is in play, so yeah. The other people are eliminated (Tilion, Boromir, Elwing, Earendil). Sorry to those that played them. They were good choices, but come on. It's Luthien- the Tolkien-proclaimed most attractive ever to exist.

As a change-up I can see Anduril being picked by a weapon enthusiast, or the Arkenstone being chosen as a ridiculously beautiful object. Silent Watcher and the White tower are trumped.

As comedy choices Forlong the Fat and Lotho Pimple are both excellent plays as they straight up include words that would undermine attractiveness. So...

THE CORRECT PICK

Luthien

THE COMEDY PICK

Forlong the Fat
Lotho Pimple

THE DIFFERENT PICK

Anduril
Arkenstone

If you don't pick mine, naturally I'll object. Particularly if I find that Wilwa was leaning towards it. ;)

You seem to be hasty again phantom... and lazy with your facts or your language.

Tilion is a Maia, not one of the "people" but a spirit -and if you state the Maia of the Moon is less attractive than a sudden bastard child you must be crazy! :p

With Boromir I do agree: he might be attractive (alluring, engaging, good-looking) in many people's eyes for a reason, but I do think Lúthien outshines him easily.

Of Elwing we know sadly very little as comes to her attractiveness but her name to begin with means "Star Spray" which probably is quite attractive to make just a minimal claim. And being a white bird is a kind of symbol of chastity and beaty combined - and she had to be attractive to gain the interest of Eärendil...

Which brings me to Eärendil I mean first of all "crossbreeds" are always more beautiful than "pure-bloods" (good-looking), he wed the daughter of Beren and Luthien (engaging), and he managed to talk himself to Valinor (alluring) - so he can't be totally unattractive...

Now some of the characteristics of Eärendil fit also Elwing and Lúthien, but not all. I mean talking yourself into the West! Knowing Manwë and his reverence to Eru's plans it is hard to see any unattractive person to do that.

Therefore I'd say that of the "persons" Eärendil would be the best choice with Tilion and Lúthien as close seconds.

Of the others I'd consider seriously the Arkenstone. It sure is attractive, good-looking, engaging and alluring - at least to dwarves and orcs and dragons!

Psh, Luthien got the Valar to reverse a death, so you can't put her as any less personally attractive than Earendil on grounds of persuasion. Not to mention Earendil's ability to attract a wife in no way makes him more alluring than Luthien, whose hubby (Beren) was practically under a spell when he saw her.
Is that statement truly meant to support Earendil? Because it kinda supports Luthien you realize, as she is a crossbreed of Elf and Ainu. ;)

Not to mention Tolkien actually nicknamed his wife "Luthien".

She owns this category. The only other picks I'd call legit would be the Arkenstone (for a Dwarf or gem enthusiast), Anduril (for a weapon enthusiast), or Fatty or Pimple (for the sake of silly).

Maybe we should vote or something. :confused: But wilwa will probably be here before the voting will be over, so it's also kind of pointless...

Okay, as I'm filling in as judge, I pick:

*drumroll*

THE ARKENSTONE!

Well chosen. I would've preferred a joke selection (I played Forlong the Fat), but the Arkenstone is a worthy winner.

Who played Luthien? You had to have felt very good about that.