Ok,

++Fea

because I disagree with her about Mac. I don't think he's worth voting toDay.

Page 2 done. Thoughts:

Awfully pessimistic of you.

Is it weird that I thought the exact same thing the moment I laid eyes on the game thread? Kind of a gut feeling. For what it's worth, I had the same feeling about Nogrod and Fea, too... :p

There seems to be some sort of odd relationship between Aganzir and Legate, as well. They're very... civil? toward each other.

On to the next level! ...Er, I mean, page!

Blah. Sorry, back now and need to catch up a bit.

Page 3 done. Thoughts:

I dunno, kinda sounds like regular Fea to me. :p

Phooey on you, Mac. :p I will probably be around at this time every day, for future reference.

Legate's #96 seems to strengthen the relationship between him and Aganzir, to my mind anyway.

Because we've never seen a bold, argumentative wolf. :rolleyes:

I think Eomer and Kitanna's vote immediately following him is kind of weird.

This kind of screams baddie to me, to be honest. :/

A couple people evidenced worry about a "flood" of sudden Rikae votes. Last time I checked, two votes does not a flood make. Hee hee.

On to page 4...

Thoughts on Page 4.

Greenie's vote for Groin kind of came out of the blue, to me. Seemed like a throwaway vote.

Yes, because we've all seen how well that works. *coughSixthcough* :rolleyes: Particularly alarming is that it came after Greenie's vote.

I'm starting to get a little tired of this. I live in the USA. I'm fairly sure McCaber and Gwath also live in the USA. Just because we don't live in Europe like the majority of the players does not mean we are submarines. I mean really now. :mad:

And now, page 5 (where I made my first entrance. The irony!)

I can't stay awake any longer - I guess I'll just have to find out if I'm still alive when I wake up. :rolleyes:

About the point #2 - half serious. It is something that I thought about (not because of our strength as players, but because mods seems to love setting us against each other), but I didn't expect anyone else to take it seriously - except possibly Mac himself: I was interested in his reaction.

At any rate - the person I find most suspicious right now is Aganzir. I've suspected Lommy too, but I don't like to lynch her on Day One... plus, I double checked, and it seems Kit did crosspost with Eomer after all. Well, it may seem kind of useless now, but my intuition is pointing this way, and there are quite a few votes left, anyway, so:

++Aganzir

It's weird to be in a game of wererwolf at 7AM... :rolleyes:

Well I need to vote then.

++ Kitanna

I was getting more and more uneasy about voting Kit as I started to think she had just stated her gut feeling on Mac's innocense, but then her sudden reappearance only to defend herself felt like overdoing it. Not the least because there was only a reservation and a comment on a feeling - still she defended Mac twice when he was suspected a lot...

Legate (has even more posts)

#26
-Says Aganzir looks different

-Thinks Mac could be possible lover.

-Unsure about Fea.

-Sally seems normal.

-Kitanna's slipping under the radar.

-Eonwe doesn't say much.

-Lommy looks unusual in the beginning, but normal in the end.

#60
-Aganzir, Rikae, and Fea look innocent.

#92
-Thinks Rikae looks normal, considers Mac as a voting possibility.

-States that Lommy looks like she's trying to stay out of the spotlight while still contributing.

#96
-Agrees with Aganzir about Groin looking like he's trying to buddy up with him.

#105
-Admonishes Nogrod for his silence.

-Doesn't like everyone voting for Rikae.

#120
-Finds Kitanna suspicious for voting Rikae and finding Mac innocent.

#141
-Questions voting Mac and considers voting Groin or Kitanna.

#153
-Decides it'd be better to wait for Groin to post more.

#169
-Another analysis post..

#185
-Considers voting for Lalaith in retaliation.

-Decides not to vote Mac.

-Considers voting Sally for quietness.

-Considers voting Lommy, but hesistant.

-Flips a coin and votes Kitanna.

Overall comments:

Way too wordy, as usual. :p

Nothing jumps out to me in particular, though he does seem indecisive as ever (as does everyone else...it's Day 1 after all).

EDIT: X-ed with a bunch

Don't get mad Shasta. What I said was said at that moment. Surely you are not such a submarine now...

Although fex. Rikae and Fea (among others) live in the US as well... :rolleyes:

Bah, really guys...you just keep spreading out the votes. :rolleyes:

A half an hour before deadline and I can't analyse them all by then. So perhaps I'll just start looking at the ones who have two or more votes. I don't know why I'm analysing anyway...it's too time consuming (though helpful).

*pipes up* And me. Thanks for that. (Kidding, kidding)


Really sorry. I kind of dozed off. Another quick skim and I'm ready though.

Thoughts on pages 5 and 6 (and a vote count, oh my!)

Lommy's vote for Eomer strikes me as in the same vein as Greenie's vote for Groin, but in a better light, for some reason.

Again, annoying.

Could you explain this? It seems to me that you're voting someone you've "changed your mind on"; ergo, you think she's innocent, but in the next breath you "can't bring yourself to trust her?" Can you see where I might be confused?

Eomer: ++Rikae (Rikae 1)
Kitanna: ++Rikae (Rikae 2)
Greenie: ++Groin (Rikae 2, Groin 1)
Mac: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1)
Eönwë: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Eomer (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1, Eomer 1)
Lalaith: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Legate: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1)
Fea: ++Mac (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gollum: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gwath: ++Fea (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1)
Rikae: ++Aganzir (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)
Nogrod: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)

I stole Brinniel's vote count and added all the votes after it in italics.

This doesn't strike me as a good defense at all...

I'm not mad, Nog. It just irked me that so many people said id. :rolleyes: You were just unlucky number... three, I think.

Fea and Rikae live in the US??! :eek: Since when?! And why wasn't I informed?!

Well and... hm. Lommy is in line to be executed, with three votes. I'm okay with that, but I think I'm more sure of Aganzir at this point.

++Aganzir

And in hindsight I should have known Fea lived in the US when she mentioned being quite happy with the deadline, thank you very much. :rolleyes: Shows how comprehensive I am past midnight sometimes.

I'd also like to point out that Gwath seems to be voting Fea in retaliation for voting Mac. Something to look into tomorrow.

Eomer: ++Rikae (Rikae 1)
Kitanna: ++Rikae (Rikae 2)
Greenie: ++Groin (Rikae 2, Groin 1)
Mac: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1)
Eönwë: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Eomer (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1, Eomer 1)
Lalaith: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Legate: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1)
Fea: ++Mac (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gollum: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gwath: ++Fea (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1)
Rikae: ++Agan (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1)
Noggie: ++Kit (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1)



A couple votes that bother me.

Gwath-->Fea. His reason is listed "because I disagree with her about Mac". Seriously? You don't agree with her so she's a wolf? Seems like fuzzy (aka furry) logic to me.

Rikae-->Agan. Just because it's spreading out the votes even more, and especially this close to the deadline. Trying to complicate things even more right before Sunset is just not cool, my dear.

So....since it's Day One (not saying that there's nothing to be gleaned, but those two votes are what jumped at me the most, actions louder than words and all that) I'm inclined to vote one of those two. But Gwath has no votes, and Rikae has two, so if I had to pick one of them I'd obviously go with her.

But....I still think Lommie's acting strangely. Like, I'm used to her being a tad....silly's not the right word, my apologies, bear with me....off or whatever you wish to call it, but it's almost as if she's taking the cute banter with Agan too far (at the beginning of the Day I mean) and after that....*looks at the time*


Post break to catch up.


EDIT: x'd since my last. And oh look, Shasta did a vote tally too. Lovely.

Kitanna

#14
-Found Mac and Aganzir's back-and-forth amusing.

#80
-Wants to take a better look at Lommy and Legate and those who suggested them.

-Wonders if Rikae's bluffing.

#90
-Feels better about Mac than Rikae.

#99
-Votes Rikae.

Overall comments:

Don't know why she seems so suspicious, she looks fine to me.

And again. ~15m to deadline and bringing another candidate up to a lynchable level. Bah.



I'll have to finish my thoughts on Lommie later/in a minute. I need to seriously consider who I'm voting for.


EDIT: x'd with Brinn

Hmm...I feel like my options are for Legate, Kit, Aganzir, or Lommy. I want to take a better look at Mac, but I'm running out of time.

Btw, my roommate's being awful to me again...so I have even less time in between talking to her. I better vote soon just in case...

Down to... Brinn, Sally, McCaber, and Groin, I think?

McCaber's probably not going to show up, and I'm not sure Groin is either.

Kitanna looks innocentish, Legate doesn't seem suspicious enough, and while I'd consider Aganzir, I haven't gotten a chance to analyse her...plus this sudden bandwagon is a bit fishy.

Therefore:

++Lommy

While I'm uncertain about her, she's the most suspicious of the four. Plus, she managed to fool me the last games and I can't let her get away with it this time.. :p

Boy do I hate Day Ones. My vote never feels concrete enough...

Deadline is in 5 minutes.

Maybe Cabbie didn't know the game started today? :rolleyes:


Nogrod: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)


Vote count stands as such (will edit to add if Brinn votes while I'm posting this)
Three Votes: Lommie
Two Votes: Rikae, Legate, Kit, Agan
One Vote: Groin, Eomer, Mac, Fea
No Votes: the rest of us :)


I'm not causing a tie and leaving it up to someone else. Between Rikae and Lommie I vote:

++Lommie

Sorry, sweetie. *hands you a stuffed penguin, then runs before you try to fillet the village*


EDIT: X'd with both Brinn and our moddess. Lommie now stands at five votes.

Without our European friends, it seems so strange for the burden to fall on just us on the other side of the Atlantic...

I know. It feels strange not running out in the middle of class to place my vote. Not that I've ever done that....:rolleyes:



Alternatively, I don't like how Agan suddenly came up less than an hour before deadline. (The votes for her, not Agan herself. Sorry, it's not that late I'm just a little more tired than usual. I'm going to shut up now, yeah?) It's sneaky and bordering on just-plain-furry. But I'll leave that for toMorrow's discussion.


Good Night, and to those of us who survive see you (hopefully) in the Morning.

Lommy will die. Narration in a short bit.

Day 1 ends...
 

The Lonely Hearts Club had indeed descended into a lonely hotel full of distrustful people. Not romantic at all, despite the large number of endearments being bandied back and forth. No love was to be found this day, at least not on the surface, and at the end, one young lady by the name of Thinlomien was doomed to die.

Above it all, in a cloudy palace in the sky, was one who watched the goings on with delicious amusement and great hilarity. For it was she who had set out The Task which killed Diamond and disrupted the mortals. Venus, goddess of love, and orchestrator of mischief, took delight in every accusation and manipulation. In the end, her Lovers did well, for Lommy was no servant of Venus.

The Lonely Hearts tied up the young maiden and stabbed her though the heart. She slumped down and bled onto the floor, but no one among them shed a tear or stepped forward to caress her dying form. After a few awkward moments in which nothing momentous happened, they buried her in the garden and shuffled off to bed, exhausted.

But some among them, did not sleep....

It is now Night.

The Living Lonely Hearts Club:

Groin
Aganzir
Legate
Kitanna
Gollum
Nogrod
Brinniel
Sally
Shasta
Gwath
Rikae
Mac
McCaber
Fea
Greenie
Eönwë
Lalaith
Eomer

Hearts Which Have Stopped Beating:

Diamond (Lonely Heart)
Lommy (Lonely Heart)

Day 2
 

The next morning at the Remote Romantic Retreat dawned sunny and clear. A perfect day for strolling through the garden, lounging on the beach, and getting to know the other singles. But, alas, such leisurely activities were not to be on the agenda for this day.

Two less Lonely Heart Clubmembers came down to the breakfast table that morning. Legate and Lalaith where each absent. They were found, later, each in their separate bedrooms, alone and dead in their lonely beds. Both had been stabbed through the heart, and their blood ran red, staining the sheets.

Let the paranoia commence.

The Living Lonely Hearts Club:

Groin
Aganzir
Kitanna
Gollum
Nogrod
Brinniel
Sally
Shasta
Gwath
Rikae
Mac
McCaber
Fea
Greenie
Eönwë
Eomer

Hearts Which Have Stopped Beating:

Diamond (Lonely Heart)
Lommy (Lonely Heart)
Legate (Lonely Heart)
Lalaith (Lonely Heart)

Two deaths, and no mention of a ranger save. Can we hope that we only have two lover pairs among us? Two pairs against each other, as well as the rest of the village, would make for an unbalanced game, though.

As for Legate and Lalaith, the first thought that comes to my mind is that both look like classic wolf-kills - players who weren't much suspected, thus unlikely to be lynched, and who leave little trail... maybe there's more to it I'm missing, though.

Now, Sally - I'll have you know, dearie, I don't much appreciate what I see as attempts to intimidate and pressure me into conformity! I vote as I please, thank you very much, and I find the artificial narrowing of the field to the first few people with multiple votes a suspicious, or at least dangerous, move.
In this game, time zones are obviously a major factor. Americans (although not so much those of us on the east coast) are going to find it far easier to be around at the deadline. I don't think that means that we can suppose there is an evil conspiracy among Americans to vote without the rest of the village's input. :rolleyes:
(If there is, you're in on it! :p)
I don't find you suspicious just yet, love - only a bit misguided. Shasta may well be buttering me up - he seems to be following my suspicions a bit.
Well, I suppose we won't see much activity here until after I've gone to bed (even though I'm staying up far too late already for #$@# midterms...) - good night, USA, good morning, Europe, play nice and all that. ;)

Sorry about Day 1, folks. Apparently things happen when I'm not paying attention.

And I missed six whole pages of discussion. Great.

I didn't glean too much from a quick first readthrough. Basically that Aganzir, Lommy, Mac,and Rikae talked a lot and suspected each other, with fatal results for Lommy.

Anyway, time to think, react, talk, and listen.

Can't stay and chat but I had to tell you. Your post just made my day. (Granted it's 1:30 in the morning so I haven't done much yet, but it amused me. How are you so perky at this time of night?)


Sorry. Off to write a paper, gorrammit. Back when I'm awake.


P.S. Lallie and Legate, especially the former. Bwah?


Discuss amongst yourselves!


EDIT: X'd with Cabbie. Mehbe. I'm not sure; I should have been paying more attention.

Hmm...so two more are dead. What does this mean? Do we only have two sets of lovers among us, or is it possible that two pairs chose the same kill?

Lalaith's death isn't terribly surprising...she didn't post a lot and left little tracks. Legate I'm more curious about. He had the second most amount of posts and was getting plenty of attention...so why kill him? Did they think he was gifted or perhaps even part of another team of lovers? Of the two, I think the former would be more likely...especially since I recall Legate speculating about gifteds.

Gah, it's late and I'm tired...but I'd like to look back at yesterDay before going to bed since I know by the time I return there'll be a whole slew of posts and I'll probably be kept plenty busy catching up.

EDIT: X-ed with everyone

So for all the talk of absolute carnage, two are dead? That means there is either two teams of lovers, each with a kill; or one team of four lovers, and Diamond emerges as somewhat less interested in monogamy than I might have suspected. :p

Or another option that I'm not seeing right now. And I'm afraid I won't be around until much later as I have work... er, I mean, I'll be busying myself constructing romantic poesy.

If there are teams, do they all know who each other are? Then they could try setting each other up with the kills. But if they don't know their enemies then this line of speculation does the village no good (I think).

What may be more useful is playing the percentage game, in choosing those who were not involved with, say, Lalaith, and selecting a pair from the two of them. This assumes that Lalaith and Legate were killed to leave no trail, which is often agreed upon as being at least 'not a bad method'.

Ach, it still seems tricksome today.

As for my vote yesterday, Rikae got it spot on. Pot and stirring. That's all.

Sorry to pop back in, but I wanted to put this out there.



Just because there were two deaths and no ranger save doesn't mean there's only two teams of lovers. It's distinctly possible (at some point someone was discussing it) that if two/more teams pick the same person, only that one person dies (i.e. no repicks). Not to be a pessimist, but I thought it was worth mentioning.


I'm really off now. (My post originally said "they're were two deaths and no ranger kill doesn't mean they're only two....". So yeah, I'm going to bed when I get finished.)

The Voting:

Eomer: ++Rikae (Rikae 1)
Kitanna: ++Rikae (Rikae 2)
Greenie: ++Groin (Rikae 2, Groin 1)
Mac: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1)
Eönwë: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Eomer (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1, Eomer 1)
Lalaith: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Legate: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1)
Fea: ++Mac (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gollum: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gwath: ++Fea (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1)
Rikae: ++Aganzir (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)
Nogrod: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)
Shasta: ++Aganzir (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 2)
Brinn: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 4, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)
Sally: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 5, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Aganzir 1)

Didn't vote: Groin, McCaber (am I missing anyone?)

Yes, it's something I mentioned as well and it's certainly a possibility (though in that scenario I would guess there are no more than three pairs). But of course, we don't know whether Di has something completely different up her sleeve...which is entirely possible..

Bah, I was going to do more than just paste the vote count but I'm so sleepy.. I think I'll just go to bed now and return to share my thoughts when my head is clearer.

One post before bed (and I'm only up this late because I was typing a rehearsal report!)

Legate and Lalaith. I'm not sure at all about the latter, but I have a strong suspicion the former was targeted in hopes that he was a Lover. :rolleyes:

As for Lommy, I wouldn't have guessed she was a plain old Lonely Heart. Guess I'm 0/1 as for right now, :p.

Good night (to my neighbors; good morning to those across the pond!)

Good Morning!


As for the game...

Lalaith didn't really get say enough for there to be any trails there.

But then Legate was one of the most active. And if I remember correctly, he and Mac were at each others throats until quite late that Day (well, actually, more into the afternoon but we Europeans suffer from jet-lag on this island- for us it was late-ish). So in that case it could have been either Mac being very bold, and because its so obvious, thought no-one would suspect him, or more likely it could be someone framing him. Obviously I could be going down the completely wrong path, and maybe that's what the lovers want me to do.

Ye Eönwë Table
 

Just adding the night phase bits to what Rikae did:

Day 1:

Eomer: Rikae (1)
Kitanna: Rikae (2)
Greenie: Groin (1)
Mac: Lommy [ordo] (1)
Eönwë: Legate [ordo] (1)
Lommy [ordo]: Eomer (1)
Lalaith [ordo]: Legate [ordo] (1)
Aganzir: Lommy [ordo] (2)
Legate [ordo]: Kitanna (1)
Fea: Mac (1)
Gollum: Lommy [ordo] (3)
Gwath: Fea (1)
Rikae: Aganzir (1)
Nogrod: Kitanna (2)
Shasta: Aganzir (2)
Brinn: Lommy [ordo] (4)
Sally: Lommy [ordo] (5)


Lynched: Lommy [ordo]

Night 1:

Killed: Lalaith [ordo], Legate [ordo]
Saved: ?


*= vote didn't count
+= thought/ knew vote didn't count
()= total votes for person that day so far
<>= total votes for person from an individual so far
[]= known status/ postion e.g. ordo

Only two deaths?

So that means that either we have only two pairs of lovers, or it just happened that some chose the same target. It could also be that the lovers are in some way impaired in the way their kill is carried out (4 couples that only get 2 kills?). Well, let's say we have two pairs lovers (or do we maybe have two teams of lovers?). I suppose they're still interested in eliminating each other as well as killing the seer (they probably don't know whether there's a seer either) and making the usual kills to improve their individual situation. That gives the intention behind the choice of the kills an additional dimension that should be considered.

We probably have no chance to accurately guess what the situation for the lovers is really like, because we have an evil moddess who came up with a scenario nobody is supposed to be able to guess. Hmph.

I think Rikae is too quick to discard the possibility that anything useful can be learned from Lalaith's and Legate's deaths. I will have a look at them later today.

I don't really like Eomer's post. His rule speculations sound very specific, and following Fea's idea yesterday that somebody who knows the rules might slip up when discussing them, this makes me wary. I'm not convinced of Eomer's percentage game, to say the least. He also explains his vote by simply agreeing with somebody else, which is the easiest way.


I'll be back later with some comments on what happened after I voted and thoughts on our kills.

Coffee.
*yawn*

An awful lot of the attention he was getting seemed to run along the lines of "Legate is smart and wise and all-good and all-knowing and we should bow down and worship him in grovelling admiration." as far as I could see.
Or, for another possibility, perhaps the lovers are hopeless romantics who thought he couldn't stand to live without Lommy? :D

Probably true, studmuffin,, but that's all I was able to come up with - not to mention I generally don't believe a lot can be learned from kills.

I suppose it is possible we have three sets of lovers, and two picked the same person. A wacky idea suggested to me by the Venus scenario in the narration also was that the number of lover pairs might be increasing, somehow, and we could expect greater carnage in the nights to come. Now, that would be devilish - if that's not what Di's doing, perhaps I'll try it someday myself... ;)