I hope everyone has noted that the deadline today is already 6.30 GMT!

Triple-posting...

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Gil 1 (Morm)
Firefoot 1 (Diamond)
Diamond 2 (Firefoot, Jenny)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)

Something has to change, because we can't afford a double-lynch (at least without Gil as the second one)!

I have my vote still, but as I was thinking about Kitanna in the first place, I'll have reconsider. And happily you others too can make some extra-thinking before the end of the day.

Quite right!

--Gil-Galad though I do so ruefully

++Diamond18

she still isn't sitting right with me.

Eh, whatever
 

I really wanted to be able to deal the death blow to myself (5th vote) but as this might be the last time I'm on before 12:30, I'll have to settle with the 4th.

- - Firefoot

+ + Diamond

:rolleyes:

Um...that was odd...

Complete abandonment of defense?

Must be either:
a) sarcastic wolf saying good bye with a wink?
b) a very witty wolf trying to save herself with sacrifice (hoping we would change our votes to save her for her "courage")?
c) someone wishing to quit the play / being annoyed about it?

I don't like this self vote at all. You can understand them in games where an ordo tries to save a gifted (someone s/he believes is one) in a tight situation. But here it just makes me kind of suspecting this all as a masquerade - although she mentioned about her wish to kill herself earlier...

Baffling.

EDIT: d) a grand plan of a suicidal wolf? :p

I've just gotten a bit tired of reading the same assesment of myself over and over. It seems I'm either a wolf or a stupid villager (exact words have been ignorant and inexperienced, but a rose by any other name...) and since I'm most definitely not a wolf, well, you get the picture! And people are surprised that I get defensive about this. Ha!

Mainly, I would be having more fun if I were a wolf. At this point, I look forward to whatever death Mith writes up for me.

Moderator message
 

NB Double lynchings are not automatic per rules.

I'm not sure what to do. Diamond's vote baffles me. I thought she was a likely wolf, but now I'm just not sure. If she's not, then my top suspects are Kitanna, followed by maybe Oddwen.

If Diamond is innocent, I do understand her anguish (but not perhaps her deed). I have also wondered about how often she has been named ignorant, inexperienced etc. just a short while ago the last time. I think she has made a couple of very logical and well thought of posts (especially answering Firefoot's suspicions) and many reasonable ones as well. But maybe it's because I myself am also very inexperienced too?

So this I think raises also an ethical as well as tactical point: should we save her (we risk losing a reasonable villager) or does she even like to be saved? And then there is this possible wolf-issue: a clever wolf would try that kind of thing - but I thought her situation was not that desperate yet (even though a time-zone issue might explain it).

If you think we lynch Diamond, then I think we should consider of taking Gil with her - although I don't kind of like the idea of shortening our lead in numbers to the wolf (as Jenny put it) at this point anymore. Well here we see the ever arising pressure of those "submarines" I talked about the first day...

Any ideas?

EDIT / EDIT2: X-posted with Mith about double-lynchings. We really should consider the realistic possibility, that double lynchings are out, and Mith decides in a case of a draw...

I am torn between leaving it as it is, and trying to switch the kill to Oddwen. (We two could do that, and she has also garnered a lot of uncertainty in the village...)

I don't think we should lynch anyone (i.e. Gil) whom we don't think is likely to be a wolf. We'll leave that issue up to our Mod.

You are probably right. But I'm a bit hasty with that too. Oddwen's voting record is just baffling:

Yesterday: Voting for Morm in a situation, where everything was "clear" - there were enough votes for the lynch to go on. Maybe getting headway to the next suspicion, as Morm (?, or someone?) suggested - but very confusing: why should a wolf be so open and suspicious?

Today: By her voting-time she had two votes as had Diamond. Now she didn't go on voting Diamond to try to help herself, but went on me. A self-assured wolf or what?

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 4 (Firefoot, Jenny, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)

I am wondering whether either Diamond or Oddwen are wolves at all...

But I'm leaning towards leaving things as they are. Oddwen has almost been a second Gil (with the exception that I think she has been reading the game), and the impression I've gotten from her votes has been odd, but innocent. I like to think a wolf would be more careful. Kitanna's the one I'm truly worried about, and we two between us do not have the power to lynch her.

A difficult and confusing situation...

I think in the long run I need to vote where I hold most suspicion. I have not been entirely comfortable with my vote for Diamond from the start, but I didn't want to widen the group of people with votes.

This is probably not going to make any difference, and I'm ok with that. Diamond hasn't sat quite right with me, but Kitanna is more worrisome at the moment.

--Diamond

++Kitanna

You are most right - or at least you think along the lines I do: which doesn't make it right though, but something I understand... as you remember me voicing my concern on Kitanna as my only "suspect with a theory" so far, even though I admit it's a bad one.

Well. Any vote at this moment will be looked at as a safe vote, so why not...

++ Kitanna

Just don't want to be the one to bang the last nail into Diamond's coffin anyhow.

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 4 (Firefoot, Jenny, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 2 (Jenny, Nogrod)

EDIT: THIS IS A WRONG COUNT: see below!
(I really shouldn't be doing even elementary maths... :rolleyes:

Although, I don't quite get the meaning of this bolded one? Why did you have to vote at that time in the first place?

I voted because we have retractable votes, the voting pool was very wide and I didn't know it would be narrowed, and because I vote while I am at work, and I don't always know that I will be able to change it later and get back on.

EDIT: And I tried to have at least some sort of decision made last night before the rest of the EST villagers had to leave. The plan was to stay with that unless something else came up--and Diamond's self-vote qualified.

SORRY: There was a mistake in my earlier vote-count (didn't take Jenny out from Diamond)

The votes right now, as they should be:

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 3 (Firefoot, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 2 (Jenny, Nogrod)

Actually I only have 3 votes (you have Jenny up there twice).

Well now I'm back to being torn about what to do. If I vote for Kitanna, she's shaping up to die. Kitanna, while not my main suspect, was high on my list. If she's a wolf, great, but if she's not, I'm even more suspicious now. *sigh* I'm still thinking Firefoot, probably more than anything for the admittedly odd reason that everyone else seems to trust her, which scares me. So I'm mostly going with my gut. But anyway, since the tide seems to have turned toward Kitanna... I'll try to see how it goes if I live another day. :rolleyes:

- - Diamond

+ + Kitanna

WHOA!

This game just surprises, time after time!!!

Voting closed....
 

Blimey o'riley - you make life interesting for your moderator.

The votes right now:

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 2 (Firefoot, Morm)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 3 (Jenny, Nogrod, Diamond)

X-posted with Mith

well i was going to vote for Morm for bashing againest me and trying to waste a day of voting

EDIT: sorry, voted too late...

Moderators must improvise....
 

It was another extraordinary day in Midsomer Mawlin, Boromir the Seer had been found dead and without his guidance suspicion had initially fallen on Diamond 18. Were their suspicions genuine or were they merely jealous of her youth and beauty when so many of her fellow villagers were not, to put it gently, in the first flush of youth.

It seemed she was doomed - in a fit of bravado (or was it pique) she volunteered for the gallows and was debating her choice of last words ("You are all a bunch of idiots" was favourite) when Jenny, perhaps out of solidarity for a young investigator said that she didn't think that a wolf would volunteer to be hanged. Nogrod agreed and added "I still think Kitanna is suspicious lets hang her instead! "

"You can't hang me - that's discrimination" protested Kitanna, "Haven't you heard about the Disability Discrimination Act of 1995?"

"Sure we have" said Diamond, who had now decided that "Die" was not on her list of things to do that day. "We are giving you full access to the village's execution facility" .

Kitanna tried to make a break but Diamond's reactions were lightning and kicking away Kitanna's cane she pushed her to the floor.

The teenager and diagnostician wrestled but Diamond had taken the cane in both hands and held it down across Kitanna's throat. She pressed harder and though Kitanna writhed she could not escape.

"Help me, you idiots" yelled Diamond. Mormegil went for Sleepy Ranger's naval sword and less helpfully, Firefoot ran to the nearby Cooperdale Cottage for the log and hit Kitanna round the head with it rendering her unconscious.

For a moment she lay still. Then the physicians's body started to transform.

Mormegil ran her through with the sword before the wolf could regain consciousness.


The shortest plague of werewolves was over.


Dead

Mithalwen (moderator)
Feanor (wolf)
Sleepy Ranger (villager)
Kuruharan (wolf)
Boromir (seer)
Kitanna (wolf)

Living

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Diamond18
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Jenny Hallu
mormegil
Nogrod
Oddwen


A resounding village victory.

oh wow i actually survived this one... good game guys. though some of you tried to lynch me...

Holy Cow. That was the oddest game of werewolf ever.

MithalMod, you are the greatest...I can't believe we just won!

This has got to be the first village where the ONLY innocent kills were made at night!

Count yourself lucky.....

That will go down in history. Crazy! In my opinion 3 great wolves but somehow we did it. Great job Boro you gave us a great start. Thanks Mith to a great game.

I have to say that it was probaly down to you that it gotr finished today - and the fact that Diamond changed her vote a nanosecond before I closed the voting!!!

I think our problem was that we had 3 potentially incredible wolves...

But they didn't seem to work together very well.


That and the village (sans Gil) was just awesome!

Mith: If the wolf hadn't been Kitanna (yay! good instincts for once!) Diamond's last minute vote change would have sent me after her with everything I had tomorrow. Whew! That was down to the wire...

à bon chat, bon rat (fr*)

An attacker and an attackee grow stronger from finding new ways to outwit each other


this was a very strong group of players and poor Kitanna was up against a seer who was as gifted as she was in MM1. I really thought I was living groundhog day at times.

A Million hurrahs' to us all!!!

Well, I said earlier today, that getting rid of the wolves with minimal innocent deaths would be a sign of success... This could be counted as one? :)

And three cheers to Diamond: you made this end really a dramatic one!

Thanks to Jenny for the initiative: I was very ready to vote for Kitanna anytime today (as you others might have seen), but there was no reason for it in the earlier situation, not counting ethics and logics - kind of reasons them too, huh? ;)

And a deep bow to Mith!

It must have been annoying to write nice deaths and then being forced to make them a new, at the last possible instance! :D

Totally weird village, and enjoyable!

PS. Kind of sad, it ended so soon, but...

Hojotoho!
 

Well it served me right for insisting on retractable votes but what agame that made it.

Oh Nogrod your death involved these and valkyries

Retractable votes are fun!

But that death of mine would just have been magnificient. Kind of sorry I survived... :cool:

Well, I think the credit goes to Nogrod and Jenny for turning the tide. :D Cheers! http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif I just hopped on their backs when I saw a chance to save my behind. I figured that if Kitanna was innocent, I'd just get killed on the morrow, but since there was a chance she was a wolf, better her today than me. :D

I'm at work and should not be online *looks over shoulder nervously* so I've got to git. Just couldn't resist finding out what happened....

An...absolutely stunning performance.

And proof positive that experience maketh not Werewolf.

Also a wonderful advertisement for retractable votes. I'm now considering them for when I have my Heroes sequel...

Dramatis Personae
 

Azaelia
B88
Diamond
Fea
firefoot
Jenny
Kitanna
Kuru
morm
Nogrod
Sleepy
Oddwen
Gil

Mithalwen