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Legate of Amon Lanc 11-22-2008 10:19 AM

The disease (as you may logically conclude from what I said) is specifically named in the books. So it is not "some disease" (unspecified) nor "catomisia" ;) (something whose name you just make up without any support for it in the text) but something named in the book.

Okay, another hint (though I am not sure if it will help or if it will confuse things more ;) If it seemed confusing to you, you would perhaps do better by ignoring it): There was a certain group of inhabitants of M-E who all had this disease by default. (This person, who is the subject of the question, was not one of them, though.)

Gollum the Great 11-22-2008 07:55 PM

You've got to be making this up, Legate.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-23-2008 10:16 AM

No way, my good Gollum. Okay, another hint. One of the group mentioned above died recently before the person in question left its home place. These events were closely related (not totally, like one being consequence of the other, but simply related to each other). And, to add, the death of this one mentioned above was not a result of the disease. The disease itself is not lethal. But very often throughout the history of M-E, somebody died as an outcome of that disease. However, it was not the disease itself that killed them.

That's a lot of hints, I'd say. Try to put all the evidence together and try to think.

And remember, still: we are looking for one certain person about whom we read as being vulnerable to this disease. (Like I said, there were many who had this disease, and probably also some who were vulnerable to it, but about this one we know because the book says it.)

Thinlómien 11-23-2008 02:44 PM

I can only think of the Sackville-Bagginses and their sort of cleptomania :D, but that does not fit more than maybe half of the hints... :confused:

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-23-2008 02:48 PM

No, but actually, you are far, far closer to the correct answer than all of those who posted here this far have been. You are very, very close, from several aspects.

The Might 11-23-2008 03:57 PM

Cleptomania?

Well, actually I was going to say Sméagol curious "disease" of greedily wanting mroe presents for himself.

After all this affected all Hobbits, and because of it he eventually had to move far away from his home place, but did not die because of it... well ok, maybe he did.

But anyway, since you said the person did not belong to the group of people affected by it by default it cannon be right...

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 03:45 AM

Indeed, it isn't Sméagol. You are heading in the right direction, though. Now I think this is the time to emphasise the important thing from the original question: it is really explicitely said in the book that this person was vulnerable to some sort of disease. In the italicised part, I am not making up any metaphores of my own, I am merely recounting what the book says at some point.

And the person about whom this whole question is, just to remind of it because all the hints may have created a bit of confusing atmosphere, did not die because of this disease - at least it is not said in the books.

The Might 11-24-2008 07:11 AM

Wait, wait, you're tricky.
Looking for what you speak of, I cam across this quote from the UT:

Quote:

In a letter written in September 1954 my father said: "At the beginning of the Second Age he [Sauron] was still beautiful to look at, or could still assume a beautiful visible shape – and was not indeed wholly evil, not unless all 'reformers' who want to hurry up with 'reconstruction' and 'reorganization' are wholly evil, even before pride and the lust to exert their will eat them up. The particular branch of the High Elves concerned, the Noldor or Loremasters, were always vulnerable on the side of 'science and technology,' as we should call it: they wanted to have the knowledge that Sauron genuinely had, and those of Eregion refused the warnings of Gil-galad and Elrond. The particular 'desire' of the Eregion Elves – an 'allegory' if you like of a love of machinery, and technical devices – is also symbolized by their special friendship with the Dwarves of Moria." ~ note 8 of Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn
Ok, so this a kind of "disease", somewhat like Sméagol's greed for treasure, their greed for knowledge.

Now, who could still be like that... Saruman?

Thinlómien 11-24-2008 11:38 AM

Wow, Might, I would think you're right, except that I'm not sure if this hint

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate
6. We actually don't know anything about the person since it caught this disease.

fits. :confused: And what about this hint?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate, bolding mine
One of the group mentioned above died recently before the person in question left its home place. These events were closely related (not totally, like one being consequence of the other, but simply related to each other). And, to add, the death of this one mentioned above was not a result of the disease. The disease itself is not lethal. But very often throughout the history of M-E, somebody died as an outcome of that disease. However, it was not the disease itself that killed them.

It almost fits, but doesn't. Or then I'm just a little slow. :D

I guess we must just wait for Legate to come and tell you whether you're correct or not...

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-24-2008 12:04 PM

Exactly, it doesn't fit at all. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might (Post 575216)
Wait, wait, you're tricky.
Looking for what you speak of, I cam across this quote from the UT:

Ok, so this a kind of "disease", somewhat like Sméagol's greed for treasure, their greed for knowledge.

Now, who could still be like that... Saruman?

And again, I did not possibly emphasise enough, or express clearly what I wanted to emphasise: I am stating only what is in the books. If I say it is a disease, it is a disease according to the books. In the context you quote, there is nothing about the lust for knowledge being a disease, or is it? It isn't. If you found it being called a disease, fine. But since you didn't, keep looking for a disease. ;)

The Might 11-25-2008 08:09 AM

Aha!

I think I have it... you truly are tricky with your questions, but I enjoy them I must admit.

Ok, so my answer is the the Master of Lake Town.

Quote:

The old Master had come to a bad end. Bard had given him much gold for the help of the Lake-people, but being of the kind that easily catches such disease he fell under the dragon-sickness, and took most of the gold and fled with it, and died of starvation in the Waste, deserted by his companions. ~ TH
1. There was a person.
2. This person was vulnerable to a certain kind of disease.
3. This disease is a kind you won't usually find in a medic's handbook.
4. It caused this person, eventually, to move far from this person's home place.
5. That person did not die because of the disease, as far as we know.

It fits with all, as he did get the disease, it is in no medic's handbook, it caused him to go to the Northern Wastes and nothing was heard of him afterwards. Although he did die of starvation, it was not the disease which caused it. And since it is said he was "of the kind" he did belong to people having this by default.

If this is wrong too, I'll first buy me a hat, then eat it.

Legate of Amon Lanc 11-25-2008 11:17 AM

No need to buy a hat, and the less to eat it :) Well done! The Master of Laketown, what a nice figure, eh?

And... eeeeek... only now I looked at when the question was posted here in the first place... two days ago, it was exactly a year :eek: Oh my, I didn't think it was that long...

Please post a new one, Miggy. I hope it will take less time to solve... :rolleyes:

The Might 11-25-2008 03:51 PM

Yay, me!
This brings the lore-score to Legate 100 - 1 Might. :D

No, seriously, now that I got I realise I should have done better to find that out. I'll try to figure something out, though I doubt it will be nearly as impressive.

Thinlómien 12-16-2008 12:00 PM

*knock knock* Anybody home?

The Might 12-17-2008 04:29 AM

Sorry, forgot about this one, I'll post a new one shortly.

The Might 12-18-2008 02:57 AM

Chosen because he liked the Sea.

Folwren 12-18-2008 09:20 AM

Hi! I just popped in to see what was up.

I have no Tolkien books with me, so without knowing if I'm even close to being right and being fully prepared to be told I am wrong, I will guess:

Cirdan the Shipwright.

Beregond 12-18-2008 11:53 AM

I think you're intimating Voronwe...

The Might 12-18-2008 03:44 PM

Bah, Beregond has it right... and so quickly! Kudos!

Beregond 12-19-2008 12:26 AM

:D Yay!

You know that guy who was a prince? He had an unprecedented name.

~

The Might 12-19-2008 04:38 AM

Galador, first prince of Dol Amroth.
He was prince and noone else had this name.

Beregond 12-19-2008 09:37 AM

Perhaps true, but not who I was looking for. :)

The Might 12-19-2008 06:53 PM

Well, guess I'll try again then.

What about Peregrin Took, referred to as "Prince of the Halflings"? He is the only one with that name, and there never was any other Hobbit with this "title", neither before nor after Pippin.

Beregond 12-19-2008 06:57 PM

Interesting answer, but not what I was thinking. ;) I think my description was too vague.

The Might 12-19-2008 07:05 PM

Ok, what about Faramir, Prince of Ithilien?
(btw, I am running out of true princes here) :D

Beregond 12-19-2008 07:09 PM

There are many true Princes! Not all of them remained so. :) Oh, not Faramir, no.

Ilya 12-19-2008 10:18 PM

Hmm, how about Vinitharya, Eldacar's name when he was a prince?

Beregond 12-19-2008 10:49 PM

Nay. This prince was unique in more ways than one. Long life in his veins would run.

The Might 12-20-2008 09:57 AM

Your question still remains very, very, vague, as I probably could give several answers that would all perfectly fit the description.

Ok, what about Maglor?
- name unprecedented
- prince of the Noldor
- he theoretically could still be living today in the Seventh Age, all that is told is that he never returned amongst the Elves

Beregond 12-20-2008 10:37 AM

No... (that always intrigued me; where would Maglor go? How long could he wander alone?)

This new age prince was by parentage unique. His father died a free death.

Ilya 12-21-2008 12:47 AM

Dior, perhaps? The first child of elves and men.

Beregond 12-21-2008 09:22 AM

Nay, but on the right track.

Ilya 12-21-2008 07:39 PM

Hmm...perhaps Vardamir, the son of Elros?

Beregond 12-21-2008 07:58 PM

Off the track again. My my, I didn't intend this to be so hard...

This future King's lands encompassed even the little people.

The Might 12-21-2008 08:01 PM

Ah then what about Aragorn's son Eldarion?

Beregond 12-21-2008 08:08 PM

No, not Elda.... wait...YES, YES, that's him! Eldarion, Prince of Gondor, whose name means "Scion of the Eldar" I believe, and who's parents were very distinct, being a man and an elf. Aragorn his father relinquished the throne to Eldarion and died naturally like his sires of old. The odds are in favour of Eldarion inheriting long life.

And so the torch passes to you, TM!

The Might 12-25-2008 10:06 AM

Remember the place where all but one lie?

Thinlómien 12-25-2008 02:00 PM

Possibly Cabed-en-Aras, or its surroundings?

The Might 12-25-2008 09:17 PM

Nope.

Thinlómien 12-26-2008 02:52 PM

Then hat about the burial mounds of the Kings of the Rohirrim?


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