Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 714611)

So how about this


Boromir - beloved sibling lost, his name means 'beloved jewel', if I remember correctly


Finduilas - The like-named maiden


Denethor - The one who died in a fire


Eowyn - The golden girl woken from sleep (and she could also be the monster slayer, in case the guess below doesn't work)



Merry - The Monster slayer


The faithful warden - Bergil


The one trapped on rock - Beregond (gond means rock)


The 'stern one hiding grief' could also refer to Denethor.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 714613)

Well done, Urwen!

Eowyn's grandmother is named Morwen, and I note that Finduilas of Dol Amroth is the younger sister to Ivriniel, which is a name derived from the same source as Faelivrin; what I'm getting at is that Finduilas and her sister were both named for the same person ('like-named').

... okay. If Boromir and Finduilas are correct, that makes 8 (since neither of them had been previously mentioned); so we have the full list somewhere.

Guesses before the 6/8:

• On a rock - Maedhros, Hurin
• Beloved sibling - Lalaith
• Died by fire - Aerin
• Like-named - Arien, Rian (stated to be wrong)
• Stern - Morwen
• Gold - Nienor Niniel
• Monster-slayer - Turin
• Warden - Mablung, Huor

I think #4 has to be Finduilas - we know she's a correct answer, and I don't think she fits anywhere else (plus we don't have a valid answer there). And #2 is confirmed as Boromir (who is named after Boromir, 1st Lord of Ladros, great-grandson of Beor, thank you very much ;)).

Hurin the Tall was Warden of the Keys during the War of the Ring; Faramir would have known him in his childhood.

hS

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 714620)

One last post from me for Nerwen's:

Uh-oh.

So... is Faramir talking to Turin Turambar? They are both of the House of Hurin (they 'share a name'), and Turin has people that fit in all those slots, like Faramir.

• On a rock - Hurin
• Beloved sibling - Lalaith
• Died by fire - Aerin
• Like-named - Finduilas
• Stern - Morwen
• Gold - Nienor Niniel
• Monster-slayer - Beleg, who killed a whole bunch of wolves to save Turin.
• Warden - Mablung, who after losing Morwen and Nienor devoted his life to finding them.

But though Turin's line died out, as Faramir says, "I have a son..."

hS

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 714619)

Take a crack at this one


I had love once, I've had joy
I've had everything I needed
And now I realize, that at that moment
I should've done as they had asked

I'm no hero
No songs will sing about me or mine
I am the one who started it all
For better or for worse

I've wanted revenge
I've wanted what should be mine
Yet in the end I got neither
Instead I got to die

It's too late now
And I can't go back
For I've given up everything
So I could have this one thing


I would say 'good luck', but you don't need it, and you'll probably give the answer soon. :p

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 714623)

Ohh, so "we" is Faramir and Turin Turambar? I was confused about what tied the characters together. They actually do share a lot of character names among related people. That's a very clever observation and riddle!

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714627)

Thanks- it's really more about descriptors than names, actually, though I couldn't pass up Finduilas and the House of Húrin.

Now, as to the new riddle, I confess to not having any clear ideas yet.

These lines-

And now I realise, that at that moment
I should've done as they had asked

I'm no hero
No songs will be sung about me or mine

I am the one who started it all

and

For I've given up everything
So I could have this one thing

feel like they should hold the key to it.

I wonder is the speaker "no hero" because of obscurity, or infamy?

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714629)

And the first two lines refer to a specific point in time ("that moment") when the speaker made a presumably fateful bad decision?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 714630)

Knowing your love for First Age characters, I wanna guess Maeglin.

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714627)

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 714633)

Cersei Lannister, as we all would like to see her end up. :p


Actually though, Feanor? Though can't say he's that "unsung" and infamous - his name is still honoured. But he did start preeety much the history of ME as we know it, and especially the First Age shenanigans. If he'd only listened and given the Silmarils over, and not followed Morgoth to Beleriand to get them back...

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 714638)

Sooo... is that a yes or a no? Or a not quite there? :confused:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 714639)

Well, that's who I had in mind, so unless I changed my mind/was replaced by an impostor, it's a yes.

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 714642)

My guess is Aragorn


I pace. (Strider)
I recommence. (Envinyatar)
I am a rock. (Elessar)
My limbs are long, and they have wings. (Longshanks, Wingfoot)
An eagle myself, (Thorongil)
Eagle lord's son, Elf-child's father. (Arathorn's son, Eldarion's father)

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714648)

Interesting. I believe the individuals referenced are (in order) Aredhel, Glorfindel, Ecthelion, Maeglin and Tuor, making the "fateful day" the fall of Gondolin- but who is the speaker?

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 714647)

I thought none of your riddles were about people? :p

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714654)

Do you mean it's Gondolin itself?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 714655)

And all of yours are? ;) We have to break the pattern every now and again to keep people on their toes, eh?

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 714659)

Now, you two, no quarrelling. The important thing to remember any one of us would have aced the original Riddle Game. Gollum wouldn't get any of these references.

Anyway-

I embrace you;
Come, we must hurry less they chase you,
Come, where the running waters race you.
Though my fragrance may torment you
Everlastingly, I've sent you
On to where your fate awaits you.