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Yeah, here is another quickie inspired by Huinesoron's riddle
We caught our prey During the night so grey But with the dawn of the day Forever we'll stay Now can you find the way And who we are say? |
The three trolls?
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Whether the riddle-maker or riddle guesser
The riddles are still well-made And mine is well-made, little fella As well-made as yours And so they said, and so they said Bert and Tom, and Will But now the sun shines over their statues And no one can hear..... Well done, and over to you |
I can't think of one right now ... would anyone else like to try? I have a few deadlines making annoying noises at me.
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I am giving people 48 hours to step up, if no one does, I will again. :p |
Well, to avoid you having to do two in a row, here's one in a rather different style:
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I haven't forgotten about this riddle, I just don't have any good ideas. I love the way it sounds though, it's great imagery!
To push things forward though, how about Sauron's fight with Gil-Galad and Elendil. |
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None of those people are presen-- hang on. None of those people are physically present for the incident (and it is a specific incident) in question. That'll do it. ^_^ hS |
Possibly Frodo looking afar from Amon Hen? Not sure what the pillar bright is, but tower dark sounds like "an eye in the Dark Tower that did not sleep".
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You're actually... really close with that, despite being in completely the wrong place. ^_^ You've definitely hit the themes correctly, and the right persons are... let's say referenced, for (un)clarity.
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It's been several months, so......
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I'd forgotten about this! Okay, hints, hints... well, both Frodo and Sauron are referenced in the incident, though not physically present. And the 'pillars' are both people.
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Hmmmm.....I think I know what it is, but just to be sure......
Does 'physically present' mean 'present in your own body'? Or to put it in another way, if a person went to 'Otherworld', as I call it, would they still be 'physically present'? |
I can see where you're going with that, but no, in this case I just meant that they're not there at all, just referred to.
There are a lot of resonances between the standoff at the Fords of Bruinen and the scene I'm thinking of, though; now that you've brought the link to mind, I think it might well be deliberate on Tolkien's part. hS |
Gandalf vs Balrog of Moria fight after their fall, with 'Silver' being 'Silvertine' aka 'Zirakzigil'?
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Not that one either, though I'm shocked that you found something that fits the riddle as well as the real answer.
However, Gandalf is indeed the pillar bright (and Glamdring his sword). You're a third of the way there! hS |
I was initially convinced that Pillar Dark was Sauron, but I now realize that his "eye" would probably be singular in that case. You just don't think of Third Age Sauron with a pair of eyes.
So, how about Gandalf stopping the Nazgul from entering the gate of Minas Tirith? The most probable watcher is then Pippin... but it doesn't fit quite well with one of your previous hints. |
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Well, only two instances fit in that case: Gandalf vs MoS or Gandalf vs Denethor.
And I'll say the former is closer, so I guess the former. |
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(With, of course, a sly reference to the various 'hope' lines throughout the story, but mostly to Gandalf's succinct version that I think is original to the films: "There is still hope.") hS |
Here is one that I hope is equally creative
The sea is a part of me And I am a part of the sea Fear once ruled me But I managed to overcome it, you see Darkness claimed me For its own My hope was lost But they'll reap what they've sown Because through it all My heart remained true My will remained steadfast And my patience was at its end Great fire burned at that time One that was easily distinguished My spirit might have left it all behind But the flame in my heart wasn't extinguished |
No takers?
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That's a good one, HS! I thought it had a great ring to it as a poem, and it makes perfect sense when you know the answer.
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My first instinct here is Earendil. Not a perfect fit but gotta get it out of the way. |
My first thought is Osse, the Maia of the sea who at one point turned to the Dark before coming back. Except that doesn't really work with the second half... it could be a duet between Osse (first 2 verses) and Uinen (last 2), with the fire being the Kinslaying at Alqualonde.
After that I thought of Earendil, but I'm worried we're being distracted by the presence of the Sea at the beginning. Focussing on the later parts, how about Gondolin? Quote:
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Not Earendil, or Gondolin. It's a person, and the patience bit is something spoken in the book in regards to them.
P.S: You're right in that you shouldn't be focusing on the sea too much. It's more of an etymology thing. |
It'd be quite a dark answer, but Ar-Pharazon? He definitely gets impatient, and from his own perspective, he remains 'true' and 'faithful', 'overcoming fear' to assail the Undying Lands and make them 'reap what they sowed' in not granting Men access. He's also not exactly dead, hence the 'flame in my heart' part.
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Nope, much earlier than that.
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Okay, so: Great Fires of the First Age:
-The Kinslaying at Alqualonde (probably) -The Sun -The Battle of the Sudden Flame -The Fall of Gondolin -Possibly the War of Wrath (if it's referring to Ancalagon's death) People whose names are associated with the sea: -Earwen, wife of Finarfin -Earendil -... I have to guess Earwen, but I don't think she works. That 'fear once ruled me' line doesn't fit anything I know about her. Also, she probably bends the focus too far back towards the actual Sea. hS |
Nope. See, you're making a mistake of focusing on 'great fires'. :p
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... Feanor? He has the advantage of actually being dead, plus, y'know, 'Spirit of Fire'. And he was most certainly impatient. hS (Look, it was him or Joseph Conrad...) |
No, I said you shouldn't be focusing on 'great fires'. What I meant by that is that there are other fires too. 'Great fires' have significance for the world as a whole, while this particular fire has significance only to the person in question (and one of their kinsmen)
And not Feanor. I don't see how is his etymology related to the sea, or the ocean, in any way. I am trying to help, but it's difficult to do without giving away the answer completely. |
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How about Nienor Niniel? 'Maid of Tears' has a salt-water connection to the sea, and her encounter with Glaurung would explain both 'fear once ruled' and 'darkness claimed'. She remained faithful to Turin under both names (though in different ways), and she was definitely impatient (the Silm doesn't have a precise quote, but the Narn might). This would make Glaurung the great fire, who at that time wasn't really bothering anyone other than the Children of Hurin when they went to hassle him. hS |
Not Nienor, but you're getting closer.
(And before someone says it, no, not Turin or Lalaith either) |
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Aha! Is it Aerin of Dor Lomin?
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I have an actual good feeling about this one. :) hS |
Hey, I think that might be it.
Aerin did burn herself alive and the house with her, because she wasn't going to be treqted kindly at all after Turin's visit and this was her final act of rebellion. And what you said about the House of Hador. Aas for patience, I believe one of Turin's companions tells him during their escape from Dor Lomin not to mistake Aerin's patience for frailty, or some such. Good catch! |
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That's exactly what I had in mind. You're up. |
Ugly they named us, the Red-Faced and his kin
Insulting our lands, our hair and our beards Naming us Betrayer behind welcoming grins Is it any wonder we turned out as they feared? Faithful they named us, the Red and Gold together The shield, the flame-brand, the wide open vale Welcoming our people as kinfolk forever Is it any wonder we were loyal without fail? Good luck...! ;) hS |
Sounds like two different groups of people, and the second group are Rohirrim.
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Kind of two different groups of people (depending on how broadly you want 'different' to apply), but not the Rohirrim. The two halves of the riddle are connected.
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