Lommy
 

This was from the Lommy/Aganzir battle. I said initially I thought this was ordo vs. ordo, and I still believe that. Lommy's frustrations here remind me of an innocent Lommy. She's had this argument before with Aganzir as an ordo.

Would a wolf openly express temptation towards a double lynch like this?

I think it was Lommy who initially brought up the idea that we should lynch Boro or tp. The fact that she brought it up seems pretty innocent to me. Those two were heavily suspected that Day, and I just can't see why a wolf would not take advantage of getting at least one lynched.

A wolf-on-wolf vote is possible here, but I don't think it's likely. Ka was sliding under the radar and Lommy's vote helped bring attention to her.

That's a good point. I should go back to my voting list and check that out.

Lommy, sometimes I wonder how your brain works. You make things so much more complicated than they really are. :p

Good point. I had actually forgotten about the whole filibuster thing until you mentioned it. And so I don't forget again:

++No Filibuster

Poor Fea never got her filibuster. Now she will kill us all. :rolleyes:

Okay, it's down to

Brinn
Lommy
Greenie
Nerwen.

And we have to get the wolf toDay (obviously.) So yes, we may as well do a double-lynch.

Problem is, it seems I'm one of the lynch-candidates. That won't matter, of course, if the other one is the wolf.

However, from my point of view it would give us a better chance if one of the lynchees wasn't someone I know to be innocent, i.e. me.

So I've got a dilemma: should I defend myself or not? If I convince you of my innocence it will help the village... but then if we concentrate on me all Day it won't.

X'd with with Brinn.

Greenie
 

I can understand her frustrations here, as it was something that I shared too.

Obviously just because she voted for tp doesn't mean she's a wolf, as many suspected him including myself. Of course because of the heavy suspicion, it'd be easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon. Though Noggie and morm already did this...would a third wolf join in?

This is an interesting interaction here...and a bit weird. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Three quotes...really? Is that all I could find out of Greenie worth commenting? You see, that's the trouble...she always flies under my radar and I find that incredibly frustrating. It shouldn't be like that, especially when there are only four players left.

Argh, if this isn't nerve-wrecking. Double lynch sounds like a very good idea as this is the last Day we have anyway. I've been thinking about the reps. It's vital that everyone votes because otherwise we'll only get one rep which in turn makes the double lynch impossible. (It's possible of course to get the wolf by a single lynch but why gamble?) Also, we should reach consensus about who we want as our reps or preferably who we want to lynch before the rep-voting so as to avoid unwanted situations (ie. the person who is most suspected being a rep etc.).

The wolf is either Brinn, Lommy or Nerwen. I'm still quite confident that Lommy is innocent. That leaves Brinn and Nerwen. Hmmm...

I'd want Lommy as rep since she's the only one I'm somewhat sure is innocent.

Nerwen
 

I don't know what was so strange about that. Why shouldn't someone who only made a couple posts get voted as a rep? And I think on Day 1, several players were voted for based on their reputation rather than simply what they had posted.

Nerwen wasn't the only one who expressed amusement towards the whole Gil/Shasta thing. I just can't understand why people found it so amusing. I don't believe there was much to think about when it came to their interactions.

This is a comment that stood out as strange to me. It feels that she's a bit eager to know whether he's out of the game. If she's innocent and assumes Gil is too, I would think she'd want him to stay in the game. Especially when it was only Day 1.

These comments strike me as odd. It feels like she's trying really hard to keep up with Boro and tp, and stay on their good side.

This is another reaction that seems fabricated to me.

The second sentence is the one I find weird. Saying that he shouldn't drop out only because he's useful in numbers, whether he votes or not. The problem I have here is why not encourage him to actually participate rather than tell him to stick around so we can lynch him "just in case"?

By "out" I meant "not a wolf".

Rep Votes
 

Supicious includes anyone who is slightly mentioned as wolfish.

Day 1

1. Greenie: Brinn

Brinn's suspects at the time: none

2. Lommy: Ilya

Ilya's suspects: none

3. Brinn: Aganzir

Aganzir's suspects: none

4. Nerwen: no vote

Wolves-

5. Ka: Boromir

Boro's suspects: Legate

6. morm: Nogrod

7. Nogrod: Ilya

Ilya's suspects of the time: none (well, she mentions me as suspicious but I think it was banter)

Day 2

1. Lommy: Nerwen

Nerwen's suspects: Nogrod, tp, Legate, Boro, Aganzir, Brinn

2. Nerwen: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Nogrod, tp, morm, Ilya, Aganzir, Ka

3. Greenie: morm

morm's suspects: tp, Nerwen

4. Brinn: Kath

Kath's suspects: Greenie, Eonwe

Wolves-

5. morm: Aganzir

Aganzir's suspects: Ilya, Eonwe, Greenie, Lommy, Noggie

6. Ka: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Nogrod, tp, morm, Ilya, Aganzir, Ka

7. Nogrod: Boromir

Boro's suspects: Nogrod

Day 3

1. Greenie: morm

morm's suspects: tp, Boro, Nerwen

2. Lommy: Shasta

Shasta's suspects: tp, Boro

3. Brinn: Shasta

Shasta's suspects: tp, Boro

4. Nerwen: Kath

Kath's suspects: Boro, Greenie

Wolves-

5. morm: Lommy

Lommy's suspects: Boro, tp

6. Nogrod: Kath

Kath's suspects: Boro, Greenie

7. Ka: Greenie

Greenie's suspects: Ilya, Boro

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That took a long time and I feel it was a waste. On Day 1, not many suspected anyone during rep votes. On Day 2, there were too many suspects and few were very heavy ones. Plus, the wolves voted players as reps who both suspected them and their fellow known wolves. So unfortunately, I can't really say this tells us anything..

Okay, I misunderstood. I thought you meant "out" by out of the game. Sorry about that.

As I said, I don't really want to go into a long, distracting defence of myself. However, I'll briefly explain the business with me, Boro and tp:

I suspected early in the piece that they were the Seer and a dreamed innocent who had guessed the Seer's identity and was taking cues from him. (I guessed wrong about which was which.) Much of what I did in the next few days (when I wasn't coping with Wolfegil) was aimed at keeping the wolves off them. The Aganzir "chess-game" was part of that. The comment you (Brinn) mention: "Boro and phantom... yes, I guessed what you were up to, though I was a bit slow on the uptake." was to let the Seer know I understood what was going on.

EDIT: X'd with Brinniel (twice).

Ugh, all this research from me is getting rather ridiculous. It's past 6am here and I still haven't gone to bed. :eek: Quite unhealthy considering I have a lot of school work due this week.

In summary, my opinions haven't really changed. Nerwen seems the most suspicious, Greenie is a question mark, and Lommy looks innocent.

I agree our safest bet is to try a double lynch and we need to discuss ahead of time who we want to vote as our reps. And since we want two reps, we should list our top two choices since there's a chance three of us may prefer voting for one person...but obviously we can't do that if we want two reps.

My first choice is obviously Lommy. She's the one I want to vote for because I trust her most as all my research points to her innocence. And my second choice would be Greenie.

Btw, since I missed deadline last time, I'd like to vote early toDay. I'm heading out in the early afternoon to do some editing for school and I have no idea when I'll be back and I'd rather not push my vote to the final hours again. So preferably I'd like to vote in five hours or so. I'm so tired right now and I apologise if I don't make any sense. Off to sleep...

EDIT: X-ed with Nerwen

Nobody's posted in the last six hours? Really? I thought at least someone would post while I was asleep...

Just dropping in before letting Lommie post. My first choice for rep would be Lommy as well, but I'm starting to get slightly worried about her after all, if only because I trust her so much and because she's still alive though no one suspects her... Gah, this game is making me paranoid. At this point it looks like everyone trusts Lommy, but we need a second rep as well. I'd suggest myself since I at least am innocent, though I'm not blaming you if you don't trust me since you really can't. The two that aren't reps will most probably be the ones we lynch, so we are almost certainly deciding now who we're lynching. Aieee!

Also, as I forgot it last time I posted, I think a
++ No filibuster
would be in order.

I'll come back after a while to vote for my rep. Before that, I'd love to hear from everyone who they want as rep and who they think we should lynch. Starting with myself:
I think Lommy should be rep and that leaves Brinn and Nerwen for lynch.

++no filibuster

I had a bad feeling all day that it's Greenie after all.

Now I'm going to do some reread (first this Day and then maybe a bit more) and see...

Just a quick comment though:
Think before you even consider that ;) - if I was a wolf, this game'd be over: I wouldn't have voted Gil yesterDay and we'd be sitting here, me hogging my rep vote...

Not necessarily. One rep could vote for the other rep. The reps have a 50% less chance of getting lynched, but it's not certainly not impossible.

True, which is another reason why I think you innocent. Unless you're a bluffing wolf...but I don't think so. I just don't see what the point would be in giving the village another Day to lynch if you could've sealed our fate yesterDay.

Yeah, unless I had a really twisted sense of humour... ;)

I know! :D

Nerwen's being odd. But now that I've thought of it, I'm less convinced of her guilt.

Greenie scares me to no end.

Brinn seems very innocent - I'm afraid she's fooling me brilliantly!

I think it would be more enlightening than distracting.

I think Nerwen's explanation of her tactics sounds reasonable... but a wolf could have employed them too... if it was just a faint suspicion and her fellows didn't agree or they had some master plan... I dunno. I need to think more about it.

Tell me, if Brinn really was a wolf, would she put all that effort to analysis? I find it a bit hard to believe, but on the other hand... I think she's done something a bit similar before...

Aieee I've been avoiding thinking about this stuff by reading other threads and I'm still way too unsure. And no one's even saying anything. *goes to reread everybody's posts in a brinnielly fashion*

Alright, I wanted to wait until I heard more, but I'm already leaving to work on my project over an hour later than planned. I can't wait any longer.

My vote shouldn't be any surprise though:

++Lommy for rep

I will be back later tonight, but as I have a lot of things to do, I'm not sure what time. Could be as early as 7pm EST or late as 10pm EST.

Brinniel
 

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before but:
I think Agan said she had been busy, and one can hardly change others' RL hurries by voting them for a rep... Brinn's answer to this was pretty evasive, I think. But sometimes even innocents' reasonings don't make sense or a re badly constructed... :rolleyes:

One thing about Brinn makes me wonder. She has suspected pretty much all the wolves, pretty much all the time. Incredible gut-feelings (like she often has) or sinister wolf-tactics? Aieeeeeee...............

Which one is more probable: a wolf skimming a fellow's posts or an innocent skimming an unknown's posts? I'm almost inclined to believe the latter...

I only noticed this now! I would protest if that was not so true. :D Touché, m'dear.
This just looks like a very convenient thing for a wolf to say.

Okay I know this is a really silly suspicion but somehow her being so aware of that is a little fishy... on the other hand, though, is she was considering voting Nog herself, she'd be paying attention to stuff like this so argh scratch my stupid point.

This sounds innocent, I think.

Not that it matters, but what does "MIA" mean?

Rather innocent again.

On thing that troubles me about Brinn is that her opinions hardly change during the game. (For example, her opinions about me and Greenie have been pretty much the same all along...) Odd...

I think this sounds very genuine, and innocent too.

Okay, that's it. Gosh this takes time... Conclusion: Brinn's more innocent than not. But I will refrain from further comments before I've checked Nerwen and Greenie too.


edit: xed with my analysis-target

Ah, that's true. Never crossed my mind. :rolleyes:

I should vote for a rep now because I need to go to sleep before my lovely session of eight and a half hours of school tomorrow... Now I don't think anyone is surprised when I vote

++ Lommy for rep

Because I think she is innocent and because I don't want to have her lynched. And at least I'm now ensuring that we get one rep. I leave it for Lommie and Nerwen to give us another.

Okay, just a quick comment.

I'm wondering why I'm alive.

Because I think I should be dead. Kath was not suspected either, but I think I was more generally considered innocent.

Is it more than random that I'm not dead?

Did the wolf assume I'd go after Nerwen and thus thought it safe to keep me around? Or did Nerwen try a very very bold bluff this way?

I'm a bit baffled, but this does make me feel better about Nerwie. She would have had a perfect excuse to eliminate someone who suspected her quite a lot - why wouldn't she have used it?

Anyone else around? I feel a bit lonely...

Btw, I wonder if we're going to make it past 2000 posts... that would be quite something. :cool::eek:;)

Ok, but now I'm off to reread and analyse Greenie.

Greenie
 

THE Ka? Interesting...

She also makes a nice turn from trusting THE Ka to finding her creepy with whatsoever no reasoning. Why? Do you still remember, Greenie?

Sounds slightly fellow-y...

Greenie suspects Nog quite vehemently, which speaks for her innocence.

Disturbing use of smiley.

Somehow, this just sounded very innocent.

More disturbing smilies...

I used to say that this points at her innocence but it could have been that she had just planned a case on a fellow, too...

This sounds innocentish, I think.

And that's her.

Conclusion: fishy like Gollum's favourite food. More suspicious than Brinn. Need to check Nerwen before saying anything more, though.

Nerwen
 

Her looking at Nog's and Boro's posts and Nog's comments of it is all in all rather fishy.

Sounds a little feigned.

I don't think what to make of the fact that she keeps talking with morm and Nog when they're known wolves... :confused:

Fishy and not too genuine...
Why the disclaimer in the title? A bit too jumpy for me...

Not still a very unsuspicious comment.

Finis.

I didn't find much to comment about her, which worries me... She says some suspicious stuff but overall, she's not too bad. I think she's possibly more innocent than Greenie but less innocent than Brinn from my pov... or maybe about as innocent - but now I'm going to vote Brinn for rep obviously because Nerwen won't be able vote herself. (On the other hand, I'd like to have the last vote and it's more likely that Greenie has to leave before me than that Brinn does... hmm...)

Nerwen, if you're around, please give your opinion on who should be the reamining rep, and soon.... *yawn*

++Brinn

I don't feel like timezone plotting right now and she feels the most innocent of you three.

If I happen to change my mind on her, or we all decide she's suspicious, I may always vote her.

If she's an innocent, she will vote someone else and we'll gamble, if she's a wolf she'll vote someone innocent off but who cares, we win.

Hi, anyone around?

Lommy's vote will decide the outcome of the game.

The pressure, I'm sure, is negligible. ;)

I guess I'd better vote

++Brinn.

Sorry, timezone mixup.

So it's just Lommy.

Yes'm.

Which means I've screwed up the double-lynch.

Now it's my fault if we lose.

Well, I just hope the wolf's not Lommy. I mean, I haven't seen any reason to suspect her, apart from the obvious one that she's still alive.

Oh, well, we'll know soon enough.

Lommy, if it is you, you've done a brilliant job and I deserve to be lynched.

MIA is an abbreviation for Missing In Action.

Hmm...Nerwen made the same mistake I did yesterDay and missed the deadline. Though I fear this mistake could be more costly. With two reps, we would've had as high as a 50% chance of lynching the wolf, but with one there's only a 25% chance. And if Lommy's the wolf, our chances are 0%. (Though if that's the case, had there been two reps we still would've been doomed as I already know I wouldn't have voted for Lommy.)

Anyways, don't expect anymore heavy duty research from me since there's no way I'm staying up until 6am again. :rolleyes: Though I think I will take a closer look at what's been said toDay, as I haven't really done that yet.

There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. And if you are indeed innocent, a defense shouldn't be distracting but helpful if it prevents us from lynching the wrong person. The problem is that while you say you don't want to take up too much time with defenses, you haven't yet provided us with any opinions you have on other players. Which isn't helpful.

This does seem like a reasonable defense and looking back at her posts on Day 3, it does add up.

I commented on this before, but I'll mention it again. I don't see how deciding on reps is deciding the lynch since the reps could've easily voted for each other.

With only four of us left, I doubt it. Though I wouldn't be surprised if we make it past 2000 in post-game discussion. Our post count is quite impressive, considering three out of four of the remaining players have 100+ posts in this thread. This game is setting WW records, not only by post count but by span of time too. Can you believe it's been almost a month since we started this game? :eek:

About Nerwen's late vote: On one hand, it could've be an honest mistake. On the other hand, it could've been very convenient for a wolf to miss the deadline only by minutes therefore preventing a double lynch and making it less likely for her to get lynched. I'm not sure what to make of this.

The thing that bothers me about toDay is that only Lommy and me have actually put any effort in so far. I haven't heard anything from Greenie and Nerwen about who they suspect the most. Considering it is our last Day, it'd be nice to hear some opinions from these two rather than lay low. I really would like to hear both of your thoughts.

Hi, Brinn.

I'm terribly sorry about screwing up like that. I hope it doesn't cost us the game.

Okay, about the possible wolf: whoever it is has been very clever and not left much of a trail, so it's hard to make a real case.

If it's Lommy, we're already dead, obviously, so there's no point discussing her.

So, I have to assume it's either Brinn or Greenie.

Of the two... Brinniel has been very helpful with quotes and analyses, but as I recall that's a thing she does when she's a wolf, too... doesn't really point either way. Against her there's her pushing for the fixed number of reps scheme, which struck me as weird and distracting at the time.


Greenie... has slipped under the radar until recently. I don't think I can add to the cases Brinn and Lommy have made on her. Half Lommy's case is just "disturbing use of smilies":rolleyes:

And yes, her interaction with known wolves could mean something. At #504 (already quoted in part by Brinn and Lommy) she talks about Nogrod and also about morm:

So... she's used what could be the suspect/defend tactic on two known wolves. (But both in the same post... to risky?)

Nerwen you are exactly not helping. ;)

And neither is the ever silent (and ever hiding?) Greenie.

If you all could tell me who you suspect the most and why, it'd help.

Grr... I was thinking we'd win this with a double lynch but now I'm pretty sure we lose... because it is in my hands in the end and I always screw things up. :rolleyes:

But like I've said before, it doesn't really matter so much if we lose. I think the wolf deserves it if she wins.

Please, everybody, tell me your opinion of why it was Kath who died last Night (and not me, for example).

Anyway, I'm going to be here now for a couple of hours and then I'm coming back rather late my time, around 8 or 9 pm GMT. And when I come back, I really want to see some serious posting and discussing by everybody *glares at Nerwen and Greenie*. Otherwise I cannot decide which one of you is a wolf.

I'm still least suspicious of Brinn. Of Greenie and Nerwen I don't know... I used to suspect Greenie more but Nerwen's late posts haven't been quite convincing. And I know I could very well reverse my opinion on Brinn too...

Hey wolf, you're a bit too good at this.

PS. I don't want to be tempted to vote Greenie because I'd hate losing to her the most... :rolleyes:

So we won't have the double-lynch after all? Don't lose hope, we can still win - though certainly not if Lommy keeps suspecting me. Please ask me questions and I try to answer as well as I can. Obviously I can't defend myself from arguments like "disturbing use of smiley".

Trusting THE Ka? I don't think I ever mentioned trusting her, or actually trusting anyone on the first half of Day 1. I don't trust people on Day 1. About Ka anyway - she had posted one post that far if I recall correctly, two at most, so I don't find it right surprising if my opinion about her changes as I see more of her.

The ever-studying Greenie, more likely - like I already said and like you of all people should know, I have eight and a half hours of school today in case that explains why I haven't been saying anything yet. I'm now having a break but won't be around properly for another few hours as I have a few things I definitely need to do after school eg. buying schoolbooks and stuff like that.

Sorry to sound so cross. I'm not annoyed with the game but with something else. I'll post something proper in a few hours when I get home.

I'm back - didn't buy the books after all since I was all too tired. :rolleyes: Well anyway, about who I suspect then. I don't suspect Lommy, which leaves Nerwen and Brinn as possible wolves. I can't choose between them.

Brinn's activity and annoyance at others being quiet/unproductive speaks for her innocence, but mostly from yesterDay and the Day before I got a bad feeling about her, I'll go and try to find exact quotes since that's no use as an argument.

Good points have been raised about Nerwen, especially her reactions to things that have happened looking fabricated etc, but I still think her continuous row with morm speaks for her innocence rather than against it. Hmmm...

I need to think still. As for how much I'm able to be here toDay, well, I have a few school things to do and such and I suppose darling Lommy wants to post once she gets back home from work, but otherwise I'll be more or less around all evening. Is there anyone here except for me?

Actually this is funny. The more I read Brinn's posts, the more she starts to look innocent to me. But if she's innocent like she now looks, that logically means that Nerwen is the wolf. Could she be? Argh. I don't know. But since both Lommy and Brinn look more innocent than she does, I guess it's her. My reread of yesterDay and the Day before it (mainly concentrating on Brinn, but skimming Nerwen as well) made Brinn look better and Nerwen slightly worse.


EDIT: Still no one here? I love triple posting and all, but still it would be nice to have someone to talk to...