By the way, I'm an odd person.

Yes! Finally the paged turned!

You didn't Vote Nerwen because "You'd have to explain it." Maning you wanted a vote that could blend in.

Seems to me you can now claim you didn't help lynch an innocent...

And then like a Nerwen vote... You have nothing to back it up...

++BG

Morsul, I think you're misrepresenting BG a bit here. She was pretty clearly using Nerwen as an example, not saying that she was going to vote her.

However, BG, Morsul does have a point. Are you saying you voted mainly to avoid having to explain a vote in general?

Not the overnight changing of TEW's mind, but the fact that yesterDay he'd put that out against you so forcefully and then let it go. Saying "I accuse you" is about as direct as one can get, and why make a statement like that at one point, and not bring it up again the same day, with no reference to having second thoughts about you, or something like that? And if TEW, before I brought up the subject toDay, had said he didn't suspect you any more, and here's why, I might have thought what you're saying: possible Gifted, and I wouldn't have mentioned it. But it didn't happen that way.

Really don't know about this. That seems kind of flimsy, Morsul. You also kept your hands quite clean yesterDay through a safe vote.

x/d with Shasta

No, I did explain it didn't I? I was just saying if I voted for someone that one person voted for it would look weird.

I gotta go now. I'll be back in a hour or so. Bye!

I was continuing her example... Although my fault I didn't make that clear...

Thinking of how your vote will be perceived by others is not a very innocent way of going about things, BG.

True I'll admit, though I was busy and trully hadn't known it was Day 1... And I really Was confused by what was going on due to a lot of piratey talk:rolleyes:

Iunno. That's what I did. I stuck between two people and voted for the one that looked better.


Btw, I'm am ordo (for once!) and I'm not kidding. Yeah, I know that doesn't look good. I just don't wanto get lynched on day 1 or 2

Hmm. The reason I didn't vote Morsul yesterDay was that his vote was a very Morsul thing to do, and I wasn't willing to vote him for that, at least not on Day 1.

What's going on now, though? Hmm....

Back now...

WOO! I thought my saying that would make everyone talk!

Wow, still not much going on then. Well I'm only around for about another 30 minutes I'm afraid, and I'll have to vote at the end of that.

And yet, everyone does it. No one wants to be suspected, whether or not you're innocent. I actually think BG is looking pretty good right now. She (he? what? I'm getting everyone mixed up) is in a position I've been in many times. Doing somehting that seems to make perfect sense to me and then being totally baffled when everyone suspects me for it later. He does have a point, if he had voted for some other random person at that point we could easily be suspecting him for that. It made more sense for him to choose between the two, rather then waste a vote. Which is also what Glirdan did.

And yet. Glirdan is looking bad to me. I know, he always does, but it's always for good reason. Both yesterDay and toDay he seems to just be latching on to other people's ideas, looking very agreeable, and then earlier he totally pounced on something I said, and interpreted it very incorrectly. I also find it odd that he suspects Elf-Warrior toDay, then next post says Morsul doesn't look bad enough to vote for, and then votes for Morsul who he says is the only person he is suspicious of.

Morsul looks kinda bad too. But I really want to stay away from that one, cause it's looking to me like a possible bandwagon disaster part deux. So I likely won't be voting for him.

I'm super tempted to vote Glirdan, cause he looks so bad, but I'm weary of that too. I'll keep looking I guess. He'll be my vote if nothing worse pops up.

x'ed really? no cross posting? come on peoples....

Thank you, thank you, thank you Wilwa! I'm female. Right now, if I had to vote, I'd be clueless. Luckly, I have until later. Thus:


Suspicious:
no one


Possable:
glirdan
morsul though I wouldn't vote for either ATM

nothing:
everyone else

Glidran:
What is he trying to do??

Morsul
same as yesterday. Also for his weird vote on me. No evadence there!

You do have a point about Glirdan. He did say something to the effect that Morsul hadn't said anything to earn his vote, then voted Morsul the next post. He also didn't address what I was wondering about here.

I guess Morsul does look the worse between him and BG, But I still think trying not to appear suspicious in one's votes is generally a hallmark of evil thinking.

Ok, gotta go to sleep now. Since nothing worse has popped out to me:

++Glirdan

For previously stated reasons.

Good night all.

Okay, I won't over do this but:

Morsul->BeiGei
Wilwa->Glirdan

anyone else leaving? This doesn't help me at all, luckly I have all Day. Right now they both look bad, but I wouldn't vote either. Anyone wanna speak up? Any wolves? No one? Okay, no problem, I'll wait.

Also Glirdan voted me

so

Glirdan->Morsul
Morsul-Blind Guardian
Wilwa-->Glirdan

Hanks, was that on page three? Ah, I see. Very little reason in that.

Okay, I have to go. I'll be back in 45 minutes.

Not a lot having gone on, I see. I really don't like BG's comment on her vote - it seems like she voted in the way that would shine best on her. But actually coming out and saying that... egh. I don't know if that's too obvious. I do remember headdesking multiple times in the game I hosted, where BG was a wolf, and apologizing profusely to Boro... I'm really not sure at this point. I think I want to vote BG, but need to look at Glirdan because I haven't yet, and there seems to be some agreement that he looks fishy.

...and that term is actually applicable in this game. :p

Above reasons? I saw a bunch of songs... A few vote counts and lists... never a reason...

Just noticed Rikae brought up my last point...

I'm extremely nervous about Zil. I just do not like his suspicions, in seemingly having a strong opinion about Rikae, but stirring most the attention towards easy targets for weak reasons. If you have a suspicion against Rikae, and feel it's solid enough to continue arguing with her over the reasons, get her by the juggular and get after her. Don't toy around like you're in some kind of dance and be like..."BG looks the worst, she considers how her vote looks to people!"

Wilwa's absolutely right, anyone who doesn't want to get lynched thinks of how their vote comes off to everyone. It's hog wash to say it only applies to the evil ones. Look through all the votes yesterday, I guarantee in the vast majority, people considered how their vote would be perceived. I mean when someone says "I'm not going to vote for Eonwe, because I don't want to bandwagon" they're thinking about how a vote for Eonwe would look...right? And they are consciously making a decision not to, because they want their vote to look bandwagonish.

Look, BG gave the thought process behind her vote. If she blatantly said Day 1, when making the vote "I don't want to vote for this person, because people will think it's weird," I would be a little more worried. As that would show the way you want your votes to look is weighing heavily on your mind, too heavily, which looks suspicious. However, BG gave her thought process about her vote, after the fact, and included an honest point that she thought about how her vote would look. Anyone who doesn't want to get lynched does Zil, and your insistance that you think it's a good sign of evil, is making you highly suspicious in me eyes.

I'm not even sure what the hub-bub about BG is, my one game with her, was her first, and we were both wolves. Has a lovably chattery personality and her twice now saying she's an ordo, I'm believing it. With the amount of gifteds, an early wolf in trouble would not insist on being ordo, they would need to make a false reveal to drag out some of the gifteds. BG's been a wolf before, I'm pretty sure I even told her that in her first game, so she'd be aware of the situation and need to bring out gifteds if she was a wolf in trouble this early. I still see she needs to try her hand at being more subtle (:p) but this time her posts scream innocent and now first time newbie wolf.

Saying what? That you considered how your vote would be perceived when deciding who to vote for? Are you saying you only said that to get a rise out of people?

If two people "both look bad", why not vote one of them? I don't follow your reasoning there.

x/d with Boro

Really? Show where I once said I suspected Rikae.

And while you're at it, show me where I said BG was the most suspicious.

You can't.

That should be "not" and not "now." :rolleyes:

You are far too careful to be that blunt Zil, where I am much more over the top dramatic. :D

You on BG:

How very sly of you. "Guess you're right about Morsul, Wilwa, but BG still committed sure wolf-sign #204." While you seem to be saying you think Morsul the most suspicious, you actually are underhandedly casting the strongest suspicion towards BG.

On Rikae:
I need to stop interpretting "that doesn't make sense," as someone saying "I think you're suspicious." That was my mistake. Carry on.

No, at the time I was agreeing with Wilwa about Morsul, while still not liking BG's comment.
As a matter of fact, I was leaning toward Glirdan or Morsul toDay. I must say you've brought a new dynamic into it, though.

With Rikae, I felt she misunderstood what I meant by saying TEW was inconsistant by outright accusing her Day 1, and never mentioning it again the same Day. She seemed to think his changing his mind overNight could have been a clue he was Seer. Since the turnabout apparently happened on Day 1, I wanted to explain why I hadn't believed that myself. So no, I didn't necessarily suspect Rikae for all that, though it got a little exasperating.

Freudian slip, Boro? :Merisu:

Alas, a list - as much to sort my own thoughts out as anything:

Inzil - Fishyish. I'm not really buying his explanations: they sound rather fabricated, and yes, it's true he didn't say he suspected me or found BG most suspicious, but that serves to highlight just how slippery he's been - poking at things from the edges, not taking a position.
Nerwen - Could as easily be a fish or not, really; I don't feel like I have a lot to go on here. She's been posting less than I would normally expect.
Blind Guardian - Making lots of mistakes - maybe too many to actually be evil. I'm leaning toward ordo who just has (what I would consider) completely the wrong idea about how to go about voting and discussing votes.
Macalaure - His seems reasonable enough, which he would just as much if he were evil as if he were good. I'd mention his quietness, but he was watching football and fireworks all day. Like Nerwen, one I could only read when he's said more.
Gilrdan - Certainly a fishy voter. I'm seeing a lot of arguments against him, though, and not all seem sensible, which is a bad sign.
Wilwarin - A little defensive, I think. Nothing concrete, but she gives me a creepy feeling.
Boromir - Seemingly very reasonable and calm. I guess he can afford to be, since everyone seems to overlook him in their questioning and suspicion.
The Elf-warrior - The conflict with Inzil is interesting - EW seems quite defensive and elaborate in his explanations without really saying much. He had a few suspicions which turned out quite flimsy, but that's not necessarily a bad sign. His vote for Eonwe came at a time where it reveals nothing, but the fact that he waited for that point may reveal something.
Morsul the Dark - Almost seems deliberately unhelpful, as if he's refusing to explain his votes reasonably to make a point or something. I don't know him well enough to say if this is wolfish or not, coming from him.
Shasta - I thought his vote yesterDay looked suspicious, but then I looked again and it seemed pretty neutral... at least, it would if he would step forward and say what he thinks of people, particularly Glirdan and Nerwen, at this point, and why he felt it was so essential to vote for someone who already had a vote.

I could vote for Inzil now, or possibly BG, Morsul or the Elf Warrior. All have strikes against them and knowing any of their roles would be useful in any event.

EDIT: X'd with Boro and Inzil.

I "misunderstood" because you explicitly said "toDay", as I pointed out in a previous post. Your attempts to cover your tracks aren't working.

Before voting, I hope Mac can get back on and answer this for me

You seem to be implying here we should lynch Morsul to find out his role and then that will give us the most information. Am I accurate?

Sometimes I think it's a very helpful thing to do, and that's one thing about Morsul, is he usually gets a lot of people chattering about him, which can give a lot of information. But we have to be quite careful and sure we're going to learn something from it. Frankly, as I don't trust you enough at this point, and how a Fish-Mac (sounds like a McDonald's sandwhich :p) could easily manipulate what we think we would find out by knowing Morsul's role, I want you to give me...

An innocent Morsul, what will that tell you, and about whom? And same for an evil Morsul.

I mean aside from what you've already stated in your post with the vote analysis...anything else?

Deliberately unhelpful?

How many ways to Sunday do I have to go to explain Why I think BG is suspicious?

You want to know my behavior here's my M.O. for better or worse I get tunnel vision and have trouble shifting focus. Once I see something Really weird I hone in on it It takes a lot to make me change my mind. That being said,

Once Again... BG voted me ONLY because adifferent vote would look bad... and In my opinion so she could say she didn't help lynch an Ordo(Because she taught I wouldn't be lynched.) and didn't use her own reasons for it...

No more sinister than Thomas Jefferson smudging out "my fellow subjects" and writing "citizens" over it in the Declaration. :p

I thought I covered that here.

Back from the lake, currently 9PM that leaves me two hours to vote, and 95 degrees F out. Reading...

The others vote you idiot!

No, not really. Don't you READ!

Iunno maybe because I HAVE TWO HOURS LEFT!

Thank you!

Thank you. Now, can someone explain what mistakes I am making so I wont do it again?

Really Idiot? That's Civil...

I pointed out it was already discussed the following post, so my good hearted polite friend, I believe You need to tone back a bit.

Sorry...