I may have been a bit hasty with that but Fea needed some support. I was a bit too forward and random with that suspicion and for that I apologize. :)
As of now my main suspect remains Fea and I believe that I may vote for her unless something big happens. As for everyone else, I'm not sure what to think, I have my doubts about many people but I'd like to see where they're headed before I form any more suspicions.

Posted by Folwren:
Posted by Sleepy Ranger:
I assumed Sleepy Ranger was talking about arguing/loudmouthing in villages & agreed that he was probably right, yes. Loudmouth=anyone that posts a lot & says a lot in those posts...that's probably a good definition of me.
You're right, Folwren, that we can't take sides based on likes/dislikes, but I don't think that's exactly what Sleepy R. had in mind.

Working on some thoughts now, I'll post them later.

I told you that that post would be lots of little, scattered thoughts, swept into a pile. Nothing was very good.

-- Jack

Does this make sense to anybody else? I spoke rashly to support the person I chiefly suspect?

Yes I support you but you are my main suspect. I see nothing wrong in that, its just like you'd support your best friend even if you suspect him/her of having done wrong. I don't really have any major suspicions and you head the list, really nothing wrong with that in my opinion. As I stated I was a bit hasty with my judgement there.

Sleepy, it makes sense to me, but I'm the crazy one by all accounts. But why put your neck on the line for somebody that you think is most likely to be guilty? Especially if you plan on trying to get me lynched...

Shall I simply allow you to go on with your mysterious plans in hopes that you reciprocate? Or shall I persue...

It is your choice Fea. Just keep in mind that you and TORE aren't the only ones who are cooking up crazy plans that nobody else understands. ;)

Exactly. The wolves also are. I imagine that the Hunter has a plan on how to choose potential death-mates from the throng. The Seer doubtlessly has an idea of who to dream about, and how and perhaps when to reveal him/herself. The Ranger surely is cooking things up to discover who to protect. Even ordinary villagers will be thinking and plotting.

What the question is, is how do we decide who to allow to work in peace, versus whose moves are mercilessly scrutinized and attacked.

Lets leave that to everybodys own instinct, opinions and deductions. But I beg everyone to try and be subtle about it, you must try and work in secret. Extract as much information from your target without letting them know what you are truly doing. Openly attacking a person is just drawing unwanted attention to yourself, I advice everybody to be careful about what they do. The last thing we need is people fighting amongst themselves through the day while the wolves hound us during the night.

Posted by Sleepy Ranger:

Heh. I wish that were true. I have no idea what to think right now and don't really have any plans just yet.

But I am going to agree with Fea, I think this business is just to fishy, SR. All due apologies if I'm wrong & everything, but you're looking the most suspicious out of anyone to me right now.

Once more on gifted roles: Subtle hints would be nice. If you think you are incapable of hinting subtlely, don't do it; but if you can drop a small hint or two it would be extremely helpful. Although I should say I've got two of the gifted roles 95% worked out (excluding wolves of course).

I should be posting a bit of my thoughts on the going-ons so far in not too long.

Ok. I have read the post's over and over and it is not helping me as much as i could hope.

I do not like the fact that Hiriel and Bergil has not posted lately, that alone could be a reason for me to vote for them. . .(If i do not have a person in witch i have reason to doubt)

I am now pretty sure that fea is innocent.

I will not coment on the rest until later.

well, the cobbler has died, how do we respond to that? i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him, in fact none voted for another person at all. my logic behind this is that wolves want to avoid leaving a trail, and will not vote if they think it won't make them look suspicious, otherwise they'll vote in a way that won't incriminate them. when this day began, I was going to give Fea another chance, and she blew it by encouraging bandwaggoning, the very thing that will give the wolves annonimity. also, doesn't T.O.R.E. seem strangely analytical?

Uh, should I not be trying to analize what has happened so far, Bergil? That is what all innocents should be doing, why is that suspicious?

Also:
Well, if the wolves want to avoid being suspicious, then the way to do that is certiainly not to not vote, in my opinion. We have no guarentee that no wolf voted for Wayne because, of course, none of them could have known he was the Cobbler.

I do agree with you, however, that they would probably want to vote in a way that wouldn't incriminate them.


A few thoughts:

Bergil- suspected malkatoj & Fea but Fea moreso (#22), strongly suspects Fea (#27), admits possibly over-reacting on Fea (#34), somewhat iffy sounding logic (to me) surrounding how the wolves would have voted, reaffirms suspicion of Fea, accuses me of being 'strangely analytical' (#92) Unsure of

Eonwe- wants reasons, not just suspicions (#11), thinks voting is good for leaving trails-backtracks a bit (#13), sounds a little non-commital (#44), goes with a random vote (#52), says Fea is probably innocent (#74) Unsure of

Feanor of the Peredhil- confusing as usual, but I say we let her logic work for her & I'll say why in a very short while, suspects malkatoj Likely innocent

Jack (aka Folwren)- half-suspects Sleepy (#24), suspects their could be a Kitanna/Gurthang alliance (#30), advises people against voting for Fea (#46), doesn't vote (interesting) (#49), makes a point about Sleepy's apparent "wishywashyness" of whatever you want to call it, thinks that Fea is innocent despite being confusing, that Eonwe is somewhat suspicious at least & Bergil is questionable (#78) Not quite sure of

Kitanna- dead but why? did she hit to close to home?

Gurthang- says he thinks the wolves killed someone not associated with them (#61), states that he likes it when everyone votes so there's a trail, says Fea is still acting suspicious, wants a reason for Sleepy jumping in with Fea on Malkatoj (#73), presses Sleepy for an answer (#80) Not quite sure of, but likely innocent

Hiriel- Nothing to work with yet

Malkatoj- suspects Fea for pegging 5 wolves when there are only 3 (#10), supports Gurthang & Hiriel (#18), asks Fea for reasons on her suspicion of TORE (#21), wants more reasons from Fea (#70) Unsure of

Rune Son of Bjarne- seems to be rather level headed, voiced suspicions of me early on, now he voices some suspicion of Bergil & Hiriel for not having spoken (although Bergil now has) Probably innocent, not quite sure

Sleepy Ranger- Very suspicious of Fea (#64), half as suspicious of Fea now, more suspicous of malkatoj, has a few doubts of me, thinks Gurthang may be sowing seeds of distrust (#72), reiterates that he DID NOT take my side (#79), now says that Fea is suspicious as well as malkatoj (#81), looks a bit suspicious to me some of his later posts Unsure of

Thinlomien- suspicious of Fea (#63), not much at all to go on

I hate not knowing things. My thoughts are currently ranging all over the place, but the most solid thing I can settle on is that I'm very suspicious of Sleepy Ranger and of Bergil.

Why Bergil: Is it that he truly doesn't get what I'm doing? Or is he feeling around for possible ways to seem innocent while directing more suspicion my way? I wasn't encouraging bandwagoning as an actual way to kill people, I was encouraging it as a way to observe them. You lead a full frontal assault against a chosen villager, making sure never to vote, and you watch who follows. You take notes on who refuses to band-wagon, and why. You add pluses or minuses for perceived sincerity. Before the person actually receives enough votes to die, you explain what you just did, and you decide how many people honestly believe in the guilt. Wolves leave paths. It is up to us to track them. But how can we track them if you force innocent villagers to lay out their plans in an easy to read (and so, easy to work around) fashion? Observing band-wagoning could have worked like a charm. And yet Bergil flatly refused to see the merit of the plan. Perhaps now that I've completely outlined it, making it workably useless, he'll believe in my innocence?

Or perhaps he's already aware of it.

Of Sleepy... now that's just a bad gut feeling. He said:

I don't know how what I had to say would convince anybody to suspect Malkatoj, considering I went to great lengths to explain how much I did not suspect him at all, and was simply using him because he's fairly vocal and made a good "scapegoat" for my theory.

It was not suspicious to not vote because many people didn't vote. I suggest they waitied untill late to vote so they could be shure the people they voted for wouldn't die and leave a trail pointing to them, and realized few people would vote that day (a total of 5,including Fea. I hope I cleared that up.

on Fea
 

Any more suspicion of Fea is just wasted time & breath. Unless I grossly misunderstand the seer's hint, Fea is innocent as the pure & wind driven snow.

I know what I'm doing may make no sense at all but I request that you trust me for a while longer. I think I know what I'm doing. I am now pretty certain of what is what and what I should do but I will not reveal anything of my plan till a later. I see many people are growing cautious of me, I do not know how to reply to that because I have given people reason to suspect me but I request that you go along with me. :)

Cheers, TORE. Shall we waste some breath on Bergil?

I think the village can only afford to take Sleepy at his word...for the moment.

But Bergil worries me greatly...I'm off to search for hints. More later.

Well i am unhappy to see that i have somehow seem less innocent to you.

The reason i mention Hiriel and Bergil, is that i would like something to judge people by !

And that's a perfectly good reason, Rune.

I don't suspect you I just haven't entirely cleared you yet, I can't be sure of anyone's innocence at the moment except Fea's. And besides, trust can easily be twisted by these wolves. I don't trust just anyone & I don't want anyone to just trust me on Fea or anything else I might find in earlier or later posts. Search for yourself, it's not that difficult - I daresay our seer may be in danger.

Earlier today I voiced my suspicion of those who defend Fea and I'd like to state more accurately whom I suspect and WHY (reasons=good, rememeber).

Yesterday, Sleepy and Jack defended Fea after her vote for herself. Today, Sleepy's defense has done a complete 180 and he now lists Fea as his prime suspect. Jack, on the other hand, is still acting defensive of Fea.

This seems like a wolfish tactic--together one day, not the next, it'd look like random villagers not connected at all. My suspicion draws me more to Sleepy, however, because of his sudden change in ideas. Also, his "flip-flopping" on the Fea issue--supporting her by bandwagoning though still suspecting her, even after defending her yesterday--seems very suspicious. (Again, I don't care so much WHO the vote is for, but WHY. Even Fea admitted to have no reason to suspect me, yet he still bandwagoned. I don't care that it's for me. Just that there doesn't seem to be a reason.)

And for further reference, I am, indeed, a she.

So for now Sleepy remains my chief suspect. I'll be on and off for the rest of the day and will update you if my suspicions change.

TORE is right. You can't trust anybody but yourself at the moment (if I understand correct). But then again we must trust each other to some extent if we are to defeat the wolves. I am glad that you can trust me TORE and I promise you won't find anything wrong with me. Anyway I know I can't clear up all your doubts but I will try none the less.

And Malkatoj I did say that it was a decision I made in haste and I withdrew my suspicion after a closer read. I know I've been really edgy and my opinions have been changing constantly but I have made no strong accusations of yet. I do have a faint image dancing around my mind but I still do not have a clear pereception of events and before I do I will with hold my judgement.

Sleepy, I hate to break it to you, but you are probably the top of my 'list'. That is if I had a list. But you have been very inconsistant, jumping from suspecting someone to not suspecting them, and in a single post you both supported and denounced Feanor. Don't be too surprised if you get a vote from me today.

Estel, I do have a question for you. In this post:

It sounds like you haven't seen any hints from the Seer. Yet in this one:

You are so certain of Feanor's innocence. Why the switch? I also don't see how you can be 100% sure of anyone being the Seer just yet. I know you probably can't explain too much because it would reveal who you think the Seer is, but could you tell me what you can.

Oh, and chew on this: a Feanor, TORE, and Rune trio.

Well that's certainly good to know. *looks a bit embarrassed*

All we can hope is that our Ranger is bright enough to get a decent grasp on the current situation, that our wolves are dense enough not to, that our villagers aren't insane, and that there isn't some hilariously and complicatedly bad encounter with a Hunter in the next few timeframes. I also hope that you and I aren't wrong, TORE, and more importantly, I hope that I'm not wrong about you. My views of you are complicated, and I'd have to rebuild them from the bottom up, should even a small piece be mistaken. How delightful.

Anywho... TORE, does anything malkatoj said strike you as funny?

Hullo all! Goodness, but I missed a lot. Very sorry. My dad's going to have lung surgery this week, so if the plight of Fwederwick is a little distant in my mind, I'm sorry. Real life is being a @*#& to me at present. But I have read over the thread, and here's what stuck me.

Hmm. Sleepy Ranger has been talking quite a lot more than yesterDAY, but has been talking sense. My guess is he's more likely the Seer than a wolf, and probably looked up Fea because Fea's been so forward. Who doesn't want to know who Fea really is? I may be taking a huge leap of faith and will fall flat on my face, but right now I trust Sleepy.

I agree. I'm more inclined to think Fea's innocent and lovably quirky than anything else.

Both Rune and Eonwe have been trying to go about this very logically, demanding which I appreciate. If they're wolves, then they're both wolves slinking around together. But I'm more inclined to think their innocents.

What we have in spades here is uncertanty. Yet TORE seems very, very sure of himself. That makes me a little suspecious.

What Bergil said about being analytical has rocketed him onto my list of suspects. Discouraging logic and analysis is what will give Fwederwick to the wolves. And what Fea said about bandwagoning as an opertunity to gauge paths, while I dislike sacrificing a villager to the cause and that makes me a little suspecious, made good sense.

Jack and Gurthang I'm not sure of, but both have said some helpful things, so I'm inclined to believe they're ordos.

malkatoj...I'm not sure of. She's been being very confrontational to SR, and some things that strike me as odd for some reason I can't quite articulate yet. But, I'm just not sure.

Wow, that was longer than I ment it to be. I'm going to reread the thread and see what happens next. With any luck, I'll post again in about an hour.

doubled up due to cross-posting
 

Perhaps I'm the worst person to make this request, seeing as how the whole thing deals with me, but it would be an excellent idea to drop this line of questioning right about now. Yeah... that really does sound bad. Oh well. Such is life.

I'd have put forth a Fea/TOREstel/Sleepy trio if I were doing such things. Why Rune, I wonder?

Edit: another crosspost

wow, so much has happened that does nothing to further our ends. sorry, i keep on letting the pesimism seep through. :)

ok then, sleepy ranger:

we are certainly dividing into pro and con on this one. for my part, while i find his behavior quite sus, i think let's at least wait until he unvails his plan; hopefully in the next day or two (hint hint :) )

right, next up, bergil:

suspicious. i don't quite like his tone...

fea:

same as last time: seems innocent, but if guilty...i will kill her and then myself :) just kidding...no i really will...im jsut joking...or am i?

TORE:

i like this guy. onf the ball, sound posts, sound logic.

Rune:

like him too.

Lets see, ah thin:

you need to talk some, my friend!

Gurthang:

clean for now...

that's all for now. i will keep looking for stuff. totally not sure about the vote right now.

ps. fea, sorry to question your apperently sound plan. didn't quite no how to take it, not being experience and all...i swear, if you're a wolf...

Well if i was part of such a trio i would proberbly not insist on fea's inoccens !

At this time there is two things that bothers me.

1. The coment from Bergil about analysing
2. The sudden change of Sleepy Ranger

The rest i may have some suspicions about, but i wont mention them now!
(I cannot give realy good reasons to why i suspect them)

To: Gurthang
 

All posted by Gurthang:

You'll notice I said I have two gifted roles 95% worked out. One was the seer. I was hoping to get other roles to drop more hints so that I could narrow down my rather wide suspect list. There is, of course, always the chance of a wolf dropping Hunterish hints or something like that, but it would be awfully hard for that wolf to keep it up for very long.

As to the 'switch,' I finally got some time to really scour the thread and found what is, in my opinion, quite conclusive evidence.

Now I've got to be choosey here. I'm sorry but I'm not going to expand much because if I accidently give away the identity of the seer I'll lynch myself. You don't see how I can be 100% sure of the Seer just yet? Sir, did you not take that course in Phantomology that was offered in the village not a month ago? It is not as hard as all that, you just need some time to really think things out. To be accurate I am not 100% sure of the seer, only 95%. But the difference between being totally lost & at least knowing one innocent is worth the 5% risk, I think.

I hope you're satisfied because I'm not going into further detail no matter what, find it yourself. :p

Hm...though I still don't trust Sleepy entirely, I think you're right. Fea's actions have been confusing so I have no doubt that the Seer would dream of her, thus explaining the sudden 180 in Sleepy's views if he, indeed, is the seer. On the other hand, if he's not the seer, then he's almost definitely a wolf for reasons I stated previously. His backing off me after questioned makes him look even more suspicious, in my eyes, than he did before.

I'm really torn on this matter--it seems like he's either the Seer or a Wolf, and either way he's doing a good job at it. While I'd hate to lose the Seer, we really need to start finding wolves. I think we should back off him for a few days so we can see more about what he's up to.

Dinner time for Malkatoj, though I shall return and look more closely. Right now I really don't know who to vote for, though if we're going to trust that Sleepy is the seer, then killing Fea would probably be our best bet.

I see nothing confusing about them. I thought I explained myself quite well.

I agree.

It certainly would explain it, if it were true. I assure you... if I was a wolf, I'd be happy to run off tonight and slaughter Sleepy. Just too chancy, keeping him around, you know? What with him distrusting me so much and making everybody else suspicious even though TORE's trying so hard to be subtle about this... I'd put money down that the wolves are currently scouring the thread trying to figure some stuff out.

Much better.

For the love of Glirdy, don't do that. If Sleepy is, on some odd chance (what's the chance, TORE? 5%?) the Seer, it means that he hasn't yet dreamt about me. I assure you, I'm not lupine, and your [group your, not directed] obscene concentration on my perceived guilt is allowing wolves to fly under the radar unchecked. In any case, I'm pretty certain I know who I'm voting for tonight.

PS: I'll be voting before 9:00 since I'm headed over to the studio then to draw me some stuff and make a valiant attempt at some psych homework.

Posted by Fea:
I'd better not be wrong about you. If that 5% ends up stabbing me in the back I'll never trust my own statistics again.

Posted by Fea:
Not glaringly. She's just one of the four or five that I'm not sure about (as I said above in my list of thoughts).

Posted by Hithriel:
On the contrary. I've said several times that I have no clear-cut suspects & no real idea of what's going on yet. The only thing I'm sure of is Fea is innocent, though I'd love to discover who the seer's other night's dream was about. Unfortunately, my last search for hints revealed nothing about Bergil of anyone else. :/

Posted by malkatoj:
Whether Sleepy is indeed innocent or not I'm not sure of. But I don't think he's the seer. Your insistance on sticking with Fea makes me wonder...

edit: cross-posted with Fea

Since I am off for the day I will leave my vote.

I am voting for Bergil mainly because he has just posted once or twice and because I am not really sure about other people.

++Bergil

Herm. I dunno if I agree with that. Sleepy's been supporting fea, and even though he says he suspects her wants us all to keep her around. If you really think that Sleepy's the Seer, we should take his advice. I'm not saying that SR is, but if he is, he's going about giving us the information we need very cleverly. His vote for Bergil...I have to take some time to see what to make of that. It's very interesting. I'd vote for Bergil only because he apparently sees analysis as a damning quality.

No other updates from my last post, save that both Fea and TORE seem to be darn sure of something that I'm only seeing hints of here. Puts me a little ill at ease, but then again, I am a bumbling novice. I could be missing something. I'll see what happens next and check in after about an hour or so.

herm, sometimes i hate werewolf. everything anyone says can be used to point to being both guilty and innocent. that's not really true but you know what i mean.

is it just me, or are some people wondering just what TORE and fea are talking about. i like it less and less (and sometimes more and more) that TORE and fea are dominating this game. sometimes i am confinced of both of their innocence and someimes i know they are guilty. the both of them. :)

we'll just have to wait and see. but lets not kill either of them, or SR either, because they all have a plan. we should wait and see what that is.

as for who we should suspect, it think bergil is a good bet. he is the only one i can see that really sticks out. like i said, i don't like his tone.

edit: cross post with hiriel.

You are. It's okay though. Quite frankly, I'm ecstatic at our chances, seeing as how so many people are with you when it comes to having no idea what made me trust TORE, and him trust me. If he and his accomplice are one heck of a pair of coy wolves, I'm very impressed, and they deserves the win. That ought to tell you something. And no, it shouldn't tell you he and I are wolves and in cahoots. :)

Anyhow... birthday party! So I'm taking off an hour earlier than I expected. Which means that

++SLEEPY RANGER

gets tonight's vote from me. If I'm wrong on this, which I very well could be, many apologies, Ranger'm'lad.

One Last Post
 

Only sometimes? Hmmm... Do you mean to say that you like or support the werewolves at other times?

Post 81:

(From Sleepy Ranger) Suspected me briefly, but doesn't (seem to) anymore.


I'm not saying SR is definitely the seer, I was just saying it would give an excuse for him to be defending Fea one day and condemning her the next, for apparently no reason. Honestly, I don't think SR is the seer. All I'm saying is that if he is, and he did indeed dream of Fea, then he found something he didn't like there. I don't think it's a good idea to kill Fea until we have much more evidence aside from her being outspoken.

Expect my vote (with an explanation) fairly soon, since I'll need to be going shortly.

Yes i know what you mean !

I to am considering Bergil.

Another thought: Can we afford to have Thinlomien in the village. (Is kind of hidding)