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Firefoot 07-18-2005 02:58 PM

Cobbler:
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His job sucks so bad, he wants to die. The cobbler is on the werewolves team, but is not a werewolf! He doesnt know who the werewolves are, they dont know who he is. The game does not end in a situation where #(werewolves+ cobbler) >= #villagers. The cobbler looks like a villager to the seer. The cobbler is very interesting in that he actually doesnt mind being lynched in many cases, to protect a werewolf from dying. He can also create situations late in the game where he can form a voting block with the remaining werewolf and then block any lunchings from occurring. You can even have cases where the werewolf is trying to convince the cobbler that he is in fact a wolf, or that someone might fake being a cobbler to rat out who the wolf is, so they can then say they arent really a cobbler and lynch them!
Obviously, the cobbler is a strong addition to the werewolf team. I think its a great role for situations where having one more werewolf would be too strong, but without it the werewolves are screwed.
Sort of an odd role, but could be interesting.

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Will day and night segments remain 24 hours long each?
Yes.

Firefoot 07-18-2005 03:17 PM

Jobs...
 
This sort of slid out of priority in WW VI; not very many of us listed a role. But I'd like to see that happen again, so let me know about your position in the village, with your sign-up if you haven't already.

the guy who be short 07-18-2005 03:20 PM

Are we going back to Middle Earth? As in, a small village of Elves somewhere near Tol-in-Gaurhoth, with the werewolves as servants of Sauron? That would be great. :D

Um... I'd like to be a... *thinks.* Oh, why not, I'll be the traditional village blacksmith.

mormegil 07-18-2005 03:21 PM

Does the town need an official executioner?

Lalaith 07-18-2005 03:27 PM

I think I'd like to play again, please (I'm assuming the game be finished by July 28th).
My thoughts on the Shirriffs - what if they were only allowed to reveal themselves (if they chose) after/if the other one dies?

This cobbler role: you are going to have to explain it to me very quietly and carefully, I'm a bit baffled.

Kath 07-18-2005 03:38 PM

I'd like to sign up again please. Since I've died on the first night twice now I'm hoping I might last a little longer if I try again! However, if anyone new wants to join and there's not enough space I'll happily give them mine.

As far as a role goes I'd quite like to be the undertaker.

On the Shirrifs thing, once one is dead is it not a little redundant to say that you are one since they're only effective when both are alive. And since the other can't now back up the claim no one will know whether you're telling the truth?

Meneltarmacil 07-18-2005 03:48 PM

I would also like to play in a Werewolf game at some point, as I haven't done so before and find the idea to be quite interesting. I'm okay with whatever role is assigned.

Firefoot 07-18-2005 03:49 PM

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(I'm assuming the game be finished by July 28th).
Lalaith - the game won't actually be starting until the 24th; I don't see it finishing until the 1st or 2nd week in August.
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My thoughts on the Shirriffs - what if they were only allowed to reveal themselves (if they chose) after/if the other one dies?
I like this idea. I think I may go with it. {Edit: Kath - one theory is that if they aren't really who they claim to be, the real other Shirriff will speak up. Also, it is helpful to the villagers to have a known innocent.}

As near as I can tell, the cobbler's job is to convince the villagers that he is a wolf - sort of the opposite of a wolf: a wolf wants to convince everyone s/he is innocent; a cobbler wants to convince everyone that they're a wolf (it's up to the potential cobbler to decide how, though... I won't try to outline potential cobbler strategy, but thinking about it is pretty interesting). That is, they want to die in place of a wolf. If you're a cobbler, you want to die, but you don't want to die in place of an innocent. They're on the wolves' side without being a wolf or even knowing who the wolves are. Does this make sense?

mormegil 07-18-2005 04:04 PM

The cobbler role is simply to help the wolves as long as he/she can. That could mean getting lycned in place of a wolf. Casting doubt on innocents. Tying up votes so there are double lynching of innocnets. etc... It's a much deeper and more difficult role than most that we have used up to this point but with enough people could prove to be entertaining.

Feanor of the Peredhil 07-18-2005 05:17 PM

Small problem: I'll be out of town on the 26th and 27th. If that will be a huge problem, I'll pull out now. If it's forgivable, than I'd like to be the village's pathological liar. :D ;)

Durelin 07-18-2005 05:45 PM

Considered me signed up for WWVII, please. :D

I also hope to be prodding someone into trying this game out who I think would enjoy it greatly...perhaps too much....

Meneltarmacil 07-18-2005 06:07 PM

It seems I'll be away during the last weekend in July, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to do a Werewolf game if it starts the 24th.

Firefoot 07-18-2005 06:32 PM

Absenses
 
Here's the way I see it.

Using Fea as an example, I don't think she'll mind. If she's out of town the 26th and 27th, she will miss the end of a Day, all of a Night, and most of a Day. Both of the Days, she would be able to get in a vote. If she were a werewolf, the other wolves would just have to do without her for a night. If she were some other gifted villager (seer, ranger, hunter) she would have to let me know ahead of time what her choice would be.

So... missing two days (RL) is plausible. Not encouraged, but plausible. Any more than two is pushing it too much, so, Menel, if you're gone for the weekend I guess it depends on whether it's Friday-Sunday or Sat-Sun. If it's just Saturday and Sunday, your situation would be the same as Fea's. The Days and voting are the important parts - if you are able to at least post and preferably vote every Day, you should be fine.

So we have:

Dancing Spawn
Durelin
Eomer
Feanor - Pathological liar
Kath - Undertaker
Lalaith
LMP
Menel
Mormegil - Official executioner
TGWBS - Blacksmith

littlemanpoet 07-18-2005 07:50 PM

I'll be a stuffy old scholar. Not too far off of RL. :D

The Only Real Estel 07-18-2005 08:43 PM

I would love to play again (or possibly mod in the future), but time is a major problem for me. I'll check around and see if it'd be possible for me to play or not.

Oddwen 07-18-2005 08:58 PM

I should like to sign up once more. And I'd like to be...the Village Tourist. A Fudgie. A visitor to the sights, and all that.

(Thank goodness, the Cherry Festival is over!)

Encaitare 07-18-2005 09:38 PM

Count me in, Firefoot. :)

I shall be a wandering gypsy type who has stopped in the village for a bit.

Nilpaurion Felagund 07-18-2005 10:24 PM

The 24th?
 
I'm . . . definitely in.

I'm replaying the role I didn't have the chance to play on WWVI--suspicious wolf-breeder.

And, bro:
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Edit to add: Holby, you are my antithesis: you always have some groovy role as opposed to the resident Ordinary Villager Extraordinaire. :D (Eomer)
That makes two of us. I, or my alter-egos, have never played a non-ordinary villager yet.

Of course, I hope the cover I've been building up during 4 and 6 would work once I become a Werewolf. :cool:

Lhunardawen 07-18-2005 10:32 PM

Count me in!

I'll still be the Village Lhunatic. I'll forever be the Village Lhunatic, I guess.

Eomer, I dare you to stay alive for more than three Days. :D

Lalaith 07-19-2005 04:28 AM

Boo! :(
I'm almost certainly going to be computerless in the wilderness between July 28th-August 1st but please count me in for WWVIII. (Oddwen's?)

Oh, and Kath, with regard to my Shirriff point, I figured it would work more or less as the phantom/Saurreg thing did in WW IV. When the remaining Shirriff revealed himself, we knew he was telling the truth because if he were an imposter then the real Shirriff would presumably contradict him...

Firefoot 07-19-2005 06:23 AM

Dancing Spawn
Durelin
Encai - Wandering gypsy
Eomer
Feanor - Pathological liar
Kath - Undertaker
Lhuna - Lhunatic
LMP - Stuffy old scholar
Menel
Mormegil - Official executioner
Nilp - Suspicious wolf breeder
Oddwen - Tourist
Oromin - Musician
Saurreg
TGWBS - Blacksmith

Sorry you're unable to play, Lalaith. There are twelve players so far - I'd like to see at least 3-4 more.

*A Note to All Involved* - Please make sure that if you can't post more than a couple times a Day, make it something of worth. It is frustrating to other players who are trying to put together evidence when you don't. Anyway, the game is more fun and interesting when everyone takes a serious part. Obviously this applies to some of you more than others... :)

Holbytlass 07-19-2005 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim
Edit to add: Holby, you are my antithesis: you always have some groovy role as opposed to the resident Ordinary Villager Extraordinaire. :D

I'm feeling the connection!! :D

HEY!! We've had the cobbler in the last 2 games!! Nilp, I mean Adam, no wait Nilp!!

I must decline in joining this game. I have a 2 game-in-a-row limit, I need a bigger break for my head and then I get all ansty to do it again!!

Saurreg 07-19-2005 07:28 AM

I'm in.

Been away for the last few days. Missed all the excitement...

LMP & TGWBS - Your coordinated move to reveal yourselves as sherriffs was the linchpoint of the game. A masterful stroke that proved to be the drop of water that made the cup runneth over. Good play. Well done. Bravo!

Firefoot - Very astute. You posted just enough every round so that neither one of us lycans ever suspected you. Good job.

Orominuialwen 07-19-2005 02:55 PM

Count me in, so long as this won't go past the 2nd week or so of August. (I'll be visiting my Grandma and she doesn't have a computer.) I'll try to post more often in this game, since I'll be done with a summer class I'm taking on the 28th, which should free up my time some more.

I think I'll be the village musician. I sing and play the violin and pennywhistle and a bit of the mandolin, so the role seems to fit me.

When you said that DAY and NIGHT periods end at 7:30 Central, I assume you mean pm? 7:30 in the morning would be a wee bit early, especially for summer :p ...

Firefoot 07-19-2005 06:31 PM

Hm, change of plans. Having just found out what my August schedule looks like, phases will not be ending at 7:30 (AM) - I wouldn't have time to write the deaths. So I'm thinking that 12 noon Central (1:00 Eastern) will work better. It also means that American players won't have to get up terribly early... :p ;)

The players list in my last post is updated.

I'd like to see two more people sign up for a total of 17 - this would make the gifted/ungifted villager ratio equal with the full count of role types (Seer, Hunter, Guardian, Shirriffs, Cobbler, Cursed Villager).

If you don't give me a position in the village for yourself, I will be assigning jobs - they will probably be rather obscure/eccentric/strange (in other words, something that will likely give you an interesting death... ;) )

mormegil 07-19-2005 06:46 PM

Firefoot, sounds great to me. I really hope that we get a couple more players. I would like to see Kuruharan again.

Meneltarmacil 07-19-2005 08:41 PM

Actually, it turns out that I will probably be gone Fri-Sat-Sun, though that does mean I will probably be able to post on Friday before leaving and Sunday after getting back. Don't know if that's enough, though.

Oh, if I am in the game I would like to be the creepy guy on the outskirts of town.

Oddwen 07-19-2005 08:44 PM

You're having the Cobbler and the Cursed, Footsie? But then again, the Sherriffs are so strong maybe they can negate those two. *shrug*

Saurreg 07-19-2005 08:51 PM

I will be the village shepherd whose sheep are missing in recent times.

Lhunardawen 07-19-2005 10:46 PM

Menel, Nilp, and Oddie? This should be an interesting game.

Nilpaurion Felagund 07-19-2005 11:34 PM

Hey, the NMS guys!
 
Let's take over the game, and turn into one giant movie script.

Then we parody it in another thread.

Then let's forget to post for a long time until someone realises we're actually doing a parody.

Then we post again.

Then I throw a dagger or seven hundred at Menel.

Drinks all around!!!

Uh, right.

Lhunardawen 07-20-2005 12:50 AM

After Werewolf VI was finished it was brought to the players' attention that another player has deleted some of his posts in the game. It is now proposed that there be a rule against deleting posts, for obvious reasons that they, and the players' analysis of them, dictate the direction of the game. Modifying posts, adding and removing contents, is also being questioned. What say you, new Moddess Goddess?

Eomer of the Rohirrim 07-20-2005 06:30 AM

A pathological liar? Fea is getting voted off first day. Just a prediction...

I'll be a dancer. You see, our King Felagund (who has recently relocated from Tol Sirion), well, they say he's getting a bit dottled in the head, if you'll follow me. Not what he used to be. I blame that Gorthaur; nasty piece of work that he is. Anyway, he offers me great sums of money just to dance around the village. Not that I keep it all, of course, I give most of it to the local school.

So I get called the generous dancer.

Feanor of the Peredhil 07-20-2005 07:19 AM

I dunno 'Mer, I'm up against you. ;)

Besides I very rarely lie in RL (I'm more likely to dodge questions subtley than lie outright), so I've got to get my mind games all out of my system here, where they are appreciated and I don't feel bad about messing with people. Hence my new role as pathological liar. That way, when I lie outright to gauge reactions, I have a better excuse than "i felt like it." I can say "Hey, just living up to the role."

Firefoot 07-20-2005 07:46 AM

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It is now proposed that there be a rule against deleting posts, for obvious reasons that they, and the players' analysis of them, dictate the direction of the game. Modifying posts, adding and removing contents, is also being questioned. What say you, new Moddess Goddess?
No deleting posts. I'm not going to ban you from editing your posts, but you're not supposed to be drastically changing them - and after so much time you shouldn't be editing your posts anyway. For example, Lhuna shouldn't go back and change something she wrote two days ago. But editing is sometimes extremely useful, like when creating a list, sometimes you miss an item or two on that list.
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You're having the Cobbler and the Cursed, Footsie?
Provided that there are enough players. Right now we don't have enough players to have both.

Menel - I'm going to go ahead and let you play.

Dancing Spawn
Durelin
Encai - Wandering gypsy
Eomer - Generous dancer
Feanor - Pathological liar
Kath - Undertaker
Lhuna - Lhunatic
LMP - Stuffy old scholar
Menel - Creepy guy
Mormegil - Official executioner
Nilp - Suspicious wolf breeder
Oddwen - Tourist
Oromin - Musician
Saurreg - Shepherd
TGWBS - Blacksmith

I tell you, I would not want to raise kids in this village, even without the wolves... wolf breeder, liar, lunatic, creepy guy, executioner... ;) :p

Feanor of the Peredhil 07-20-2005 07:49 AM

But I'm such an honorable liar... it's only for the greater good...
 
But Footie, your kids would get such a firm grasp on the beauty and frailty of life, and they would appreciate it all the more. Now isn't that worth all of the mortal peril? ;)

Meneltarmacil 07-20-2005 08:21 AM

I just asked about how long I'll be gone, and it seems I will leave Friday but not be back until noon on Monday, which is even longer than I had originally thought. It is possible that I may be able to post while I'm gone Saturday and Sunday, but don't count on it.

Firefoot 07-20-2005 08:50 AM

Menel, I don't think that will work. You'd probably be missing two full DAYS, which I think would get frustrating for some of the other players. I'd like to have you play but I don't think it would be fair to the other players.

And I hate to be turning away players when I'm trying to get more.

Durelin 07-20-2005 08:55 AM

I would like to be the Village dead-header of flowers, if I may.

And maybe with a selective memory.

littlemanpoet 07-20-2005 09:00 AM

Tell you what, instead of "stuffy old scholar", make me the "local stuffy old astrologer". :)

Without Menel, that kind of drops us down a tad.

And now for a crazy idea:

If you really want the numbers up, maybe you'd be willing to mess around with a really obfuscatingly complicating situation, and have some of us play multiple characters. I'm sure I could be persuaded to have Falco Boffin be the resident Hobbit while my astrologer could be some guy named Elempí of Umbar. Of course, this idea could create way more problems than it solves, so maybe you might just want to forget it. :p

Edit: Of course, if Elempí is a werewolf and Falco Boffin is a seer, it could raise interesting problems now, couldn't it? :p


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