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Huinesoron 03-02-2020 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721448)
Wrong. I didn't say 'Moeleg', but 'Morleg'. Check you War of the Jewels copy, yo.
I just figured Tolkien's writing was tricky enough that the one name might have been a misreading by CT of the other.

(cue another trip to the bookshelf)

Okay, so since G55's answer is deemed incorrect, I'm going to go with 'he died a traitor, and his name has gone out in shame from among Eldar and Noldoli'.

hS

Urwen 03-02-2020 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 721449)
I just figured Tolkien's writing was tricky enough that the one name might have been a misreading by CT of the other.

(cue another trip to the bookshelf)

Okay, so since G55's answer is deemed incorrect, I'm going to go with 'he died a traitor, and his name has gone out in shame from among Eldar and Noldoli'.

hS

Not that one either.

Urwen 03-02-2020 05:42 PM
Wanna know the true answer?

Huinesoron 03-02-2020 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721451)
Wanna know the true answer?
Sure, if you're tired of us guessing.

Though from one of the other threads (riddles, maybe?) I'll hazard a guess at 'in the fires that consumed Gondolin'.

hS

Urwen 03-02-2020 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 721452)
Sure, if you're tired of us guessing.

Though from one of the other threads (riddles, maybe?) I'll hazard a guess at 'in the fires that consumed Gondolin'.

hS
That's what I was looking for. :)

Your turn.

Huinesoron 03-03-2020 07:04 AM
I'm still not convinced that Meglin of the BoLT-Fall of Gondolin survived to reach the fires - the story specifically says he bounced three times on the way down. But we got there in the end, so I can't quibble too much.

Okay, time for one of my all-time favourite stories:

Which bad guy did Tolkien (probably) imagine got chased up this tree? And by who?

https://i.imgur.com/3wXxpMg.png

It's here on Google Maps, if that's any help to you. :)

hS

Urwen 03-03-2020 07:11 AM
I am imagining Tevildo, by Huan.

Huinesoron 03-03-2020 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721461)
I am imagining Tevildo, by Huan.
Tevildo is actually involved in this story, though only because he gnaws through something before the tree-chasing episode. Huan is not.

hS

Urwen 03-03-2020 07:35 AM
One of his servants then? Meoita? Miaule?

Huinesoron 03-03-2020 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721468)
One of his servants then? Meoita? Miaule?
Nope and nope.

I don't mean 'a tree that looked like this'; I mean this tree.

hS

Urwen 03-03-2020 07:40 AM
Alas
 
Google reveals nothing regarding that particular tree.

Huinesoron 03-03-2020 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721470)
Google reveals nothing regarding that particular tree.
I am very sorry for Google. :)

If that's the route you're taking, you might want to check whether the house it's in the grounds of has any possible connection to Tolkien.

hS

Urwen 03-03-2020 08:42 AM
In that case, how about Melkor, who was chased by Telimektar?

Huinesoron 03-03-2020 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721475)
In that case, how about Melkor, who was chased by Telimektar?
Correct, though arguably you should have said Melko. :) This is the great pine tree of Shugborough Hall, which is convincingly (in my mind) described as the inspiration for the House of a Hundred Chimneys at Tavrobel in the Book of Lost Tales. The Great Pine of Tavrobel was in the garden of that house, and as soon as I saw this tree I was positive Tolkien was thinking of it when he wrote that.

I've covered both the story and the connection - and shared this picture - in a previous thread if you want to know more. :)

Over to you.

hS

Urwen 03-03-2020 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 721477)
Correct, though arguably you should have said Melko. :) This is the great pine tree of Shugborough Hall, which is convincingly (in my mind) described as the inspiration for the House of a Hundred Chimneys at Tavrobel in the Book of Lost Tales. The Great Pine of Tavrobel was in the garden of that house, and as soon as I saw this tree I was positive Tolkien was thinking of it when he wrote that.

I've covered both the story and the connection - and shared this picture - in a previous thread if you want to know more. :)

Over to you.

hS

Oh, I saw that. How else do you think I found the answer?

Urwen 03-03-2020 09:19 AM
All right, so, I ask thusly:

Which 'bad guy' inflicted a cursed wound upon (at least) two characters?

(Nothing to do with Silm, for once.)

Galadriel55 03-03-2020 09:27 AM
Witch King? Wounded Frodo and Eowyn.

Urwen 03-03-2020 10:57 AM
Yup.

Galadriel55 03-03-2020 12:19 PM
This "bad guy" made up his own name. Not to be confused with a not so bad guy whose name was not likely made up by him.

Urwen 03-03-2020 12:49 PM
Tar-Calion?

Galadriel55 03-03-2020 08:14 PM
Nope.

Huinesoron 03-04-2020 02:35 AM
I think the Kings of Numenor are a good route to take, so... how about Tar-Herunumen/Ar-Adunakhor? The true "Lord of the West" is kind of morally washy at times, but certainly not a bad guy, and he's not said to have given himself the title.

hS

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 06:12 AM
Kings of Numenor are the wrong route to take. The answer is much less obscure.

Your logic for linking Ar-Adunakjor with both sentences of the clue is on the right track.

Urwen 03-04-2020 06:20 AM
Sauron? I am not sure whether he named himself or not, but he and Frodo were both called 'Lord of the Rings' in the books.

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721504)
Sauron? I am not sure whether he named himself or not, but he and Frodo were both called 'Lord of the Rings' in the books.
Not him either.

I am wondering now if the clue is a little too vague. I can alter it or add more hints if you find you're working with too many possibilities.

Urwen 03-04-2020 08:05 AM
Am I in right time period at least

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721506)
Am I in right time period at least
With Sauron? Seeing as he existed from the start of the First Age until the end of the Third Age... yes, I suppose you are right, the answer is somewhere in between those time points. ;)

Urwen 03-04-2020 09:28 AM
Then let me rephrase: is the answer in the Third Age?

Urwen 03-04-2020 09:35 AM
List of villains in Arda


Morgoth: Feanor named him that, so not him.
Sauron: You said no to this.
Gothmog: No.
Ungoliant: No
Saruman: He fits the first part, but not the second part.

You said no to Kings of Numenor.

Who else is left?

Well, I suppose Turin would fit.....if he were a villain.....and if anyone else shared one of the names he gave himself.....

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721510)
Then let me rephrase: is the answer in the Third Age?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721511)
List of villains in Arda


Morgoth: Feanor named him that, so not him.
Sauron: You said no to this.
Gothmog: No.
Ungoliant: No
Saruman: He fits the first part, but not the second part.

You said no to Kings of Numenor.

Who else is left?

Well, I suppose Turin would fit.....if he were a villain.....and if anyone else shared one of the names he gave himself.....
That's a very short list.
And not all bad guys are necessarily villains.

Don't look for villains who share names with goodies. The shared aspect that I had in mind writing the clue is not the character's name.

Urwen 03-04-2020 10:59 AM
Well, Smeagol is the bad guy who technically named himself, Gollum Gollum. And his friend and 'good counterpart' was Deagol.

If this one is incorrect too, then I'd appreciate a hint or two. Can't speak for Huey, though.

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721515)
Well, Smeagol is the bad guy who technically named himself, Gollum Gollum. And his friend and 'good counterpart' was Deagol.
So, you named the right names, but not as I initially intended.

Gollum is a bad guy (sort of) who made up his own name. Not to be confused with Smeagol, a name used to highlight the remaining goodness (or at least not quite badness) in the character.

But close enough. Over to you.

Urwen 03-04-2020 03:02 PM
Here is a new puzzle in a form of a riddle:

I once lived in land so fair
There, that which wasn't mine I had claimed
I killed that land as I killed her
And for that, I'll always be blamed
(Long after I am dead.)

Galadriel55 03-04-2020 08:15 PM
Ar-Pharazon, the land being Numenor, and "her" being Miriel?

Urwen 03-05-2020 03:45 AM
Yup.

Galadriel55 03-05-2020 07:50 AM
This bad guy was once defeated by a seed-bearing structure. What was the other notable mechanism of defeat?

Urwen 03-05-2020 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 721540)
This bad guy was once defeated by a seed-bearing structure. What was the other notable mechanism of defeat?

If it means what I think it means, then the answer is 'being stabbed in the back by his own ally'.

Galadriel55 03-05-2020 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 721542)
If it means what I think it means, then the answer is 'being stabbed in the back by his own ally'.
Mmm, not what I was thinking of. Who are you talking about?

Urwen 03-05-2020 08:29 AM
Saruman.

Urwen 03-05-2020 09:23 AM
A person defeated by a fruit.....a person defeated by a fruit.....Bill Ferny.....


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