<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>When I go to Middle Earth, I want to be in ME, not doing the time warp again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well said, dininziliel. I know how you feel.<P>I rather liked his stunt on the troll in the first movie, but I'm not too crazy about the shield sliding in the second. Just the way that it's done makes it so obvious that it was just thrown in there and really didn't belong. I mean, it kinda took you out of the actual battle to show Legolas sliding down a couple of stairs... and the music to it sounds pretty cheesy. I dunno, it just didn't do anything for me.<P>And about the whole mounting horse stunt... that was rather eye-catching, but I highly doubt it was done by the actor (or a stunt man). And as din said, it took away from the movie and made everyone sit there and ask themselves 'was that CGI?!' *shakes head* I trust PJ to a certain extent... but I'm worried that he might get a little... well, carried away, shall we say?, with the stunts. Hey, it could happen to anyone.<p>[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: arianrod ]

The mounting horse stunt was CGI, PJ said. Well I found it blindingly obvious from the start, but never mind. I personally liked the stunts, but there had better not be too many from now on.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Triple somersault onto the back of a rampaging Oliphaunt from where he proceeds to shoot 100 Orcs with only 20 arrows while simultaneously bringing the beast under control just before it flattens Gimli, thus provoking numerous one-liners on how much shorter the Dwarf would have become. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmm, having seen the trailer that's just come out, this now seems oddly prescient of me. OK, not the Gimli thing. But the trailer clearly shows Legolas dangling from an Oliphaunt, possibly just prior to his climbing, or even leaping, onto its back.

That would be this <A HREF="http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_128.jpg" TARGET=_blank>pic</A> eh, Saucepan?<P>Ride 'em Leggy! <P>H.C.

Here's my guess: Legolas climbs up the Oliphant, kills its occupants or does something cool, maybe renders it a mortal wound, then slides down the trunk (on a shield?)! That would be a good combination...

I think he climbs up to the underside of the Oliphant, blasts open a hatchplate with his glowing sword, tosses in a bomb and drops to the ground.<P>There are then some flashing light inside the Oliphant and it's head explodes.<P> <P>H.C.

That is great H.C.! *laugh* <P>And then I suppose one of the nazgul's flying beasts will come crashing into the ground and be squished by another Oliphaunt...

No, no, he Merry and Pippin would have to hijack it and go shooot another Oliphaunt about to squish Faramir.

I find that one of the interesting things about the war scenes is when they pull off those outrageous stunts! I happened to get a kick out of Legolas shield-surfing, even though I do admit it was pretty cheesy.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think he climbs up to the underside of the Oliphant, blasts open a hatchplate with his glowing sword, tosses in a bomb and drops to the ground.<BR>There are then some flashing light inside the Oliphant and it's head explodes.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Excellent, really excellent. But it might look a tad out of place in ME. <P>But a combination of the shield surfing and the Oliphaunt riding would certainly be interesting...muahahahaha <P>I can't wait to see what happens. Interesting how that wild guess appears to be coming true

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think he climbs up to the underside of the Oliphant, blasts open a hatchplate with his glowing sword, tosses in a bomb and drops to the ground.<BR>There are then some flashing light inside the Oliphant and it's head explodes.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oooh, don't forget that Arwen gets shot with an arrow... <BR>And there would of course be constant scene changes to Aragorn fighting Sauron. *cough*

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No, no, he Merry and Pippin would have to hijack it and go shooot another Oliphaunt about to squish Faramir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He, he.<P>I also her that some Oliphants are killed by rolling and swing logs as well as trip wires.<P> <P>Okay, I'm getting carried away aren't I? <P>H.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I also her that some Oliphants are killed by rolling and swing logs as well as trip wires.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>ROTK meets Star Wars. Next we'll have ringwraiths flying into Minas Tirith to try to give it's weakest point Black Breath, and Denethor will turn out to be Aragorn's father (or Legolas'! I can just see it!)<BR>

Oh yes! Legolas finds out Denethor is his father...cut the scene to Sauron fighting Aragorn...and Sauron says 'I am your father'...Aragorn might just faint with the shock. If he isn't mortally wounded by then anyway....

COOL!!!<P>When Legolas was surfing down the stairs, did anyone get an imge of him snowboarding down a mountainside? No? Must be just me then. Me and my peculiar mind with their strange fantasies!<P>Mmmmmmm, Legolas snowboarding down a mountain. Now that'll be a sight to see!

The last scene will be Legolas riding off into the horizon, then him turning around on his saddle and saying the immortal words:<BR> "I will be back..."

Immortal words? I hadn't heard them before... Would someone please enlighten me???<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Mmmmmmm, Legolas snowboarding down a mountain. Now that'll be a sight to see!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, I suppose anyone with the knowhow could put Legolas' wig on the short video clip of Orlando snowboarding down that mountain...

That's true.<P>You haven't heard "I'll be back"!?<p>[ October 04, 2003: Message edited by: Feared Half-Elf ]

I think that the new stunt would be cool to see, but I do have to agree with most of you in saying that some of Legolas' earlier stunts were VERY cheesy. The one with him hopping off of the troll, totally digital. I kinda liked the horse one, though. The stair sliding wasn't all that bad, but it could have been left out.

It looked like (in the trailer) Legolas was 'stunt-izing' on or close to an Oliphant...but I'm sure that's probably been said roughly a million times since the trailer came out.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The one with him hopping off of the troll, totally digital. I kinda liked the horse one, though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's not entirely true. Orlando was in that shot, he was only shooting at a crate, according to the special extended stuff.<P>By the way, I don't know whether you all have already discovered the true answer, but I know for 100 percent what the stunt will be. *SPOILER*<P><BR>According to Aintitcoolnews, Legolas single-handedly takes down an Oliphant. Most of us (including me, if you check earlier in the thread. ) surmised this already, but I figured you'd want confirmation.

Ok, I hadn't expected single-handedly...that's pretty impressive!<P>Nope, Feared Half-Elf, I fear I have not heard that...um...immortal line. Where is it from?

According to my sources, the oliphaunt is pierced with many arrows, Leggy-boy climbs up them nimbly, kills everyone on board, shoots the Oliphaunt in the back of the skull and then <I>surfs</I> down the trunk. Gimli then tells him "That counts as one".<P>GAG ME WITH A SPOON, PEOPLE!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> According to my sources, the oliphaunt is pierced with many arrows, Leggy-boy climbs up them nimbly, kills everyone on board, shoots the Oliphaunt in the back of the skull and then surfs down the trunk. Gimli then tells him "That counts as one". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Whoa, if that's like the mother of all prissy elf superman stunts. No offense, but I would rather he didn't do that...

Unfortunately, I believe that he does, peonydeepdelver. <P>My original prediction seems tame by comparison ... <P>Edit: Actually, the <I>really</I> silly thing is that he apparently uses the arrows in the Oliphaunt as some kind of ladder ... strong arrows, huh? <p>[ 7:29 PM December 03, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Triple somersault onto the back of a rampaging Oliphaunt from where he proceeds to shoot 100 Orcs with only 20 arrows while simultaneously bringing the beast under control just before it flattens Gimli, thus provoking numerous one-liners on how much shorter the Dwarf would have become.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sounds like a possibility . I figured (along with others) that they would have a Legolas/Oliphaunt stunt, but why do they have to have him take it down single-handedly? (presuming that they will...)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (presuming that they will...)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>... oh, they will.

So it won't all be a tear-jerking journey...that is gonna make me laugh!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Edit: Actually, the really silly thing is that he apparently uses the arrows in the Oliphaunt as some kind of ladder ... strong arrows, huh?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, if he can walk on snow... Well, Orlando is skinny enough, wouldn't you agree? I expect he'd be light enough to walk on the arrows...lol

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> GAG ME WITH A SPOON, PEOPLE! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oddwen, you never said it better (except perhaps the hilarious "I have happened" from Denethor). I'm really hoping this won't be in there, and really suspecting that it will be. Why is Legolas reduced to stunt-izing? I understand that he's probably better for such things than Gimli, but still, can't he just fight on the ground? Even though I'm not a Legolas fan, I think it's kind of sad that the stunts seem to be about all he does in the movies. Ah, well. I wonder if Sam will have any stunts in his Shelob battle (other than those prescribed by the book)? Not that I would mind that too much, but the possibilities are awfully slim.<p>[ 6:55 PM December 06, 2003: Message edited by: Luthien_ Tinuviel ]

Saucepan, I can't believe that some people thought you were joking! The joke will be on us Tolkien fans again, I'm afraid. As soon as we see Legolas jumping up onto an Oliphaunt to despatch it, all their power and magnificence will be lost. PJ may as well have left them out, after that. I much prefer the story of Derufin and Duilin who were trampled to death leading their archers close to shoot at the beasts' eyes.<P>Still, this does hold true to my belief that they're simply AT-ATs with big ears. Maybe Orly latches onto the bottom with a rope attached to an arrow, swings up, cuts a hole in it with his knife, throws in a grenade and then leaps to safety. Now <B>that's</B> action!<P>But no, I think what we're bound to see more of is unrealistic elf shenanigans. PJ needs to learn the limits of computer animation and not over-extend himself so much. Gollum was fantastic, but that ridiculous move of Legolas swinging up onto the horse was, well, completely unbelievable at best. A good viewing of the Harry Potter films would have done wonders for the LOTR ones. <P>Some directors use special effects to enhance a story. PJ uses a story as an excuse to have special effects.

An oliphant stunt seems for sure.<P>What about another one in the Umbar ships, or are these not featured in the movie?<P>Legolas standing dangling from the sails and firing away at a low flying Nazgul which crash lands in the river to the delight of the assembly.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Saucepan, I can't believe that some people thought you were joking! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I thought I was joking! <P>I can see why these sequences are included, though. They go down well with a <I>certain</I> type of film fan. I hated Orli's shield-surfing and found his impossible leap onto horseback irritating. But I have to admit that I am quite looking forward to this sequence.

I rather liked Legolas's horse jumping sequence. The shield surf was a tad annoying, though.<P>I doubt Legolas's jumping onto and dismembering a large pachyderm will affect my view of the <I>Return of the King</I> movie in any way.