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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I like how PJ has gone in depth into the battles of LOTR. I felt like JRR wasn't detailed enough when it came to the action but PJ makes it completly epic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Keep in mind that if you try to go into much detail about 'action scenes' in books, it gets boring or sounds stupid. Obviously in movies you can have Aragorn yell, than an Orc yell, then have Aragorn cut the Orc's head off, but it a book you can't really say: Aragorn yelled, then an Orc yelled, Aragorn chopped his head off. Obvioulsy that's not how it'd be put, but it just doesn't work to try to go into much detail. I was happy with the detail that J.R.R. went into, although of course I expected more from PJ in a film, of course. & keep in mind, what seems great to you (Ents), has also been remarked by others to be the Jar-Jar-Binks of LOTR. That's not my opinion, but you can't really pick out some things that you think PJ did great on & expect to convert people to movie-lovers, because any movie-hater or movie-disliker could just pick out things that PJ did <I>wrong</I>, or un-booktual (They're certainly not hard to find :rolleyes & have a pretty good case<BR><I>against</I> the movies. <p>[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

when i hear alot of the critism directed at PJ i do understand where its coming from. I tend to see these things has just minor variations that in no no way undermine the value and emotion you pull from the story. It seems to me just like people who compare anything old and new. When older people try to tell my how sinatra or elvis was the greatest and music isn't has good anymore. the LOTR movies will never satisify some in that same line of human nature. I love both the same.

Long live PJ....<P>Of course he should be allowed to make another movie. Especially Bilbo the Hobbit, which I think he would make in a lovely way.<BR>I have erad the LOTR about 9 times, and was delighted by his view and filming of the books.<BR>You cannot expect all people to be delighted by his interpretation but everyone must recognise the effort and the fantastic realisation he has placed in filming what is probably the biggest fictional saga ever written.

In response to the original question: yes he should. Personally the only things that were wrong in the movies for me were a couple of minor errors (sunlight coming from different directions, things being moved too much etc). Other than that they were great.<P>However some stuff in the film could have been made better - Strider carrying his broken sword, Pippin and Merry's joining the Fellowship - but there were some things that were rightly left out, such as the Old Forest sequence and the appearance of Tom Bombadil. I think the problem is that when you're making a movie or a TV show from a book, you can't put every single tiny plot detail into the film - people won't sit still for much longer than two hours in a cinema, or three hours if the film is really good. You have to get the basic storylines in there first, and then flesh it out with the details that enhance the story rather than those that drag out the film.<P>I say all this without wanting to insult anybody. My apologies if this only served to throw more flammable material on the metaphorical fire of the book purists' rage.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I say all this without wanting to insult anybody. My apologies if this only served to throw more flammable material on the metaphorical fire of the book purists' rage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It doesn't bother me. It sounds perfetly reasonable, only there are a few flaws in it. I don't want to start a huge long argument, but things that PJ changed (like Faramir in this instance), could've been left alone, & PJ could've created the same tension (that wouldn't drag) with Shelob. Although some will argue that it would be to much action to late in the movie, he could also have slimmed down a bit of Helm's Deep, left out all the Arwen scenes (or most of them at least), forgotten his silly idea to stick in the 'Aragorn is dead' subplot, & saved himself a lot of time there. But oh well, what's done is done (sadly).

As has been said countless times in many different ways PJ is trying to make it appealing to people who havn't read the books.<BR>But he was trying to have enough Tolkienistic qualities to try and please the book lovers, I love both the books and the movies, although there are a few things i think he could have had or could have left out, but you cannot please everybody that's highly impossible, because one person will really like one part (in book or movie) but another person will utterly loath it or at least not like that much. It goes for all things in life movies, books, clothes, music, etc. And I would never try to change another persons view of the movie as long as they don't try and change mine, because I understand that their thoughts are as deeply sown onto the earth as mine. oh one more thing even Tolkien himself knew he could not please everyone with his book. look back at my later post on page 1 i have a huge quote from his letter in the beginning of LOR: Fellowship.

No what he did to lotr was disgracefull!!!!!!!<BR>

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...things that PJ changed (like Faramir in this instance), could've been left alone & PJ could've created the same tension (that wouldn't drag) with Shelob.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Of course. There are many changes in the movies that I don't quite understand, like why he had to change Faramir, and don't know what point there was in changing them. As far as I saw, he could have left Faramir alone and the movie would be no less effective. But perhaps he needed a way to take the hobbits to Osgilith, which I also don't understand yet.<P>However, there still is a third movie to look forward to. We can't call all of Peter's plot tweaking completely unneccessary yet as we don't know where he's taking them. Come RotK, we may actually understand what it was that went through that little director mind of his and why he did what he's done. Give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until after this December.<P>And if he doesn't redeem himself in RotK, <I>then</I> we can start the Peter-bashing. <p>[ August 23, 2003: Message edited by: arianrod ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And if he doesn't redeem himself in RotK, then we can start the Peter-bashing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> OH! OH! I can't wait!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And if he doesn't redeem himself in RotK, then we can start the Peter-bashing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*laughs* Oh yes. But lets save our energies until then. <P><B>EDIT:</B><---Thanks to whoever rated me!<P><B>Frodo Lives!</B><p>[ August 23, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ]

Let's see...<P>He's made two films that are currently sitting seventh and eleventh on the list of top grossing films. While accomplishing that, the films have been resounding critical successes and have been nominated for numerous awards including two best picture nominations.<P>I really don't think there's a question here.<P>H.C.

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