Lol I said "Llie n'vanima ar' lle atara lanneina" (You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny) to my Professor yesterday.. he just looked at me and started laughing… I hope my Professor is not a Tolkien fan.. or I’m in trouble. Ok, is there an Professor here who teaches a girl named Kyla McAllen.. in Sydney [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]…

[ June 02, 2003: Message edited by: Niluial ]

Uh oh! I sense grey elvish! I'm no expert in elvish, but atar means dad, and as far as i know, ar doesnt need an apostrophe after it.

Exactly, guy. That's why I posted the REAL way to say that earlier. Check near the bottom of the first page. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks, sapphireflame. I already saw that actually. Doesnt n'vanima mean not beautiful rather than ugly?

It might not even mean that. I thought that "u" was also the Quenya "not" or "dark". I could be wrong, of course, as I often am.

U- can be a prefix in Sindarin, meaning "not" or implying a negative. (i.e. u-bedo = don't talk)

Well, n- is a common European prefix meaning not. So, perhaps this language uses it because Europeans (and Americans) will be comfortable with it.
Damn grey company elvish. Or, as i call it, Grelvish.

Hey, I like grey Elvish! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

I meant grey company elvish! Not sindarin, obviously.

EVERYONE'S SAID ALL MINE!!!! PLUS A FEW!!!!!!

I really think we ought to alert people somehow about Grelvish. It's starting to get very annoying.

I think the proper term is uvanima, because Morgoth's creations were called Uvanimar, or Ugly Ones (because they were monsters), and the singular of that term is "Uvanima." The prefix "u-" also means "not" or "opposite" in Quenya.

how do you say "you are" in quenya. Im taking lessons, but i havent done so for ages, and also pronouns is something like lesson 11! i know "na" means "is" (or "nar" plural) but how do you say "you are"? just thought it would be easier asking you people than doing about 15 lessons.

Hey guy who be short!

I don't think there is a 'you are' in Quenya. If you want to say 'you are', you say 'lle'.

Hope that helped!

~Tarien

P.S Nil, did you really say that to your professor?? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
I said "Auta Miqula Orqu" to my Physics teacher last week when she ticked me off.
She scolded me for speaking rubbish! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Isnt lle Sindarin? Well, i dont suppose it particularly matters, nobody can tell anyway. Or i could just say (insert name here) na uvanima.

It would have to be "na" (with an accent on the "a") because it is a singular "you." If it were plural, then it would be "nar." The full phrase is:

"Nal(yë) (whatever phrase that you want to add in)"

i was wonderin were you learn more of these stuff cos it really rocks! i only know a few of elvish, sindarin and quenya... can you recomend any sites?

Guy,

could I just say (insert name here) na uvamnima

Hmmm..yes 'lle' is Sindarin. Did you wnat it in Quenya?
"na uvanima" is correct, I should think. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Sorry if I'm confusing you. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

BTW, barandilwen, go to
www.grey-company.org (although this isn't exactly correct Elvish)
www.hot-elf.com

Ask the others - they can recommend some more sites. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

I do NOT recommend using the Grey Elvish site. It will just confuse you. The best site to learn true Elvish is Ardalambion (www.ardalambion.com). That is the only site that I will trust.

Right on, Finwe. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Yeah, I don't trust Grelvish in any shape or form. Go to Ardalambion, or to Fellowship of the Word-smiths for correct elvish, both Sindarin and Quenyan. Fellowship of the Word-smiths also has stuff about Tengwar (with cool examples of Elvish calligraphy), plus all the Middle-earthean language lines from the Movies, with translations. A very useful site.

Abedithon le! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Also, web pagehas great lessons in Sindarin, plus you can sign up to be a "buddy" with another member. You can either learn fromt them if they are more advanced than you are, or teachers are always welcome.

null http://www.orlandobloomfiles.com

wow these are really good

i really appreciate you guys for giving me these websites... thank a lot! and i'm sorry if i replied rather late due to some important things i can't escape from... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Fellowship of the Wordsmiths,a.k.a. Gwaith i-Phethdain rules. I found a great book for learning Quenya and Sindarin. It's called The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth and it's by Ruth S. Noel. Everyone who wants to learn elvish should read this book! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

My choir teacher would sometimes talk for the whole class period, and we would not sing that day, so once I said "antolle ulua sulrim" (much wind pours from your mouth) as I was leaving the room. Also once I told a girl to "auta miqula orqu" (go kiss an orc), and she said "umm...yes?" I thought it was quite funny.

I know, those are Grelvish, but I didn't know any good Quenyan or Sindarin insults then.

I'm not sure if this counts as an insult, but...

Man fir ar hyraryalle aran?

Basically, 'who died and left you king?'

*snork* Nice one, Leowen. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Allow me to assist:

Le uanui a lin naneth hab le gladhaen. ~~"You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny."

Anu hen orch u-naneth ~~"Son of a motherless orc."

And of course Leowen's brilliant one above. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

How do you pronounce hyraryalle? Should the "y"'s sound like the "i" in pit?
(I know the rest of pronunciation in quenya)

I'm actually not quite sure how to pronounce that. Sorry.
Maybe someone else knows?

The vowel "y" is pronounced like "ee" with rounded lips. It takes a while to get it right....

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

Thank you, Sapphire_Flame! That's very helpful.

*bows* Cuinen buiad, mellyn nin!

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

I like Grey Company because it has a great variety of words for someone who wants to learn a few quick words of a pretty language. But I do agree that they should magnify that writing in very fine print under their homepage title. None the less, I won't begin to admonish every newbie that collects a handful of vocabulary from that site. Grelvish ... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Anywho, I was wondering if anyone knows how to say some sort of more elegant insult/comebacks like "You'll forgive me if I don't get up" or "You understand if I don't hold my breath" Of course it isn't going to fit exactly but just something of that gist.

I guess we could break it down to translate:

"You'll understand if I don't..."

and then

"hold my breath" or "get up [to greet you]"

The people I know at academy and clubs do know a collection of elvish and it wouldn't be very subtle if I was to insult them in a language they knew! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] But I've never heard these phrases before ... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Thanks

-Maikafanawen

[EDIT]: Oh yeah...I couldn't get that Ardalamdion (I think I spelt that right) website to open. Can someone give me the exact address instead of a link? Thanks!

[ August 14, 2003: Message edited by: maikafanawen ]

Maika, the address is www.ardalambion.com. Hope that helps!

And for your "polite" insults:

Heniach ir u-'erin hwest nin. = You'll understand if I don't hold my breath.

Heniach ir nin u-erien suilad le. = You'll understand if I don't rise to greet you.

I hope I could be of assistance.

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

Oooh! Thank ye sooo much!

-Maikafanawen

Hello everybody!

So, "Auta miqula orqu." is Grelvish? To bad, I really like it.

I'm sorry if I've not seen this, but then what is the real Quenya/Sindarin translation for : Go kiss an orc?

Thanks already!

Aethelwine.

Could anyone tell me the translation for "idiot" or "fool" or something of that sort?

"Go kiss an orc" = "Bado orch echado meleth." (lit. "go make love to an orc")

There isn't a direct word for "fool" or "idiot" in Sindarin. The closest I got was "rinc" (jerk) and "na er gladhant (one laughed at).

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

Sorry for the very late reply, but I forgot I had posted on this treath.

*snort* Go make love to an orc! I love it!

People at school, beware! *laughs*

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

Actually, in the course of wandering around the Downs, I discovered the real way to say "Go kiss an orc":

Mibo orch (with a circumflex over the "i")

So now you have multipy ways of offending people surrepticiously! Congrats!

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~