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Huinesoron 04-29-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715616)
What about Anglachel/Gurthang, though?

Every person it came into contact with died (Eol, Beleg, Turin and Thingol). But what if they weren't the last ones? What if it found its way into Blackheart's black heart?

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715617)
Do you think that M[a]eglin could have been redeemed if there was someone who loved him in secret and revealed it?

... are you literally sitting behind me reading over my shoulder?

Because I've included variants on both these points in my brand new, somewhat parodaic fic: The Love of a Good Woman.

^_^

hS

Urwen 04-29-2019 12:06 PM

.....you made me feel pity for Morgoth of all people.....


What do you have to say for yourself?

Urwen 04-29-2019 12:13 PM

Would you read my stories in turn?

Urwen 04-29-2019 01:15 PM

And speaking of my stories, what if Gondolin was betrayed by someone else? What if - just as Maeglin pined for Idril - Glorfindel, likewise, pined for him?

Inziladun 04-30-2019 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715629)
And speaking of my stories, what if Gondolin was betrayed by someone else? What if - just as Maeglin pined for Idril - Glorfindel, likewise, pined for him?

Some "what ifs" are only in the realm of possibility in fan fiction. That is one example.

Urwen 04-30-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun (Post 715648)
Some "what ifs" are only in the realm of possibility in fan fiction. That is one example.


So you think people can't possibly be pining for him? I find that false. After all, I am a living, breathing proof that people can pine for him.

Ivriniel 05-02-2019 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715617)
Do you think that M[a]eglin could have been redeemed if there was someone who loved him in secret and revealed it?

I've grown more forgiving of Maeglin as I age. Yes, it got disturbing with his stalking of Turgon's lineage. But I recall Maeglin was also described as pretty stalwart, when facing Morgoth, a Vala.

I wonder then, had Turgon been less absurdly vengeful in throwing Eol off the cliffs, as punishment for the death, then Maeglin before Morgoth in that 'Fan Fiction' should have had more emotional reserves to hold his own.

No doubt, hatred simmering, and a pretty immutable Turgon, with a city of such isolation, and protectionism, must have had it's cost on loyalty. Eol, I imagine, taught Maeglin that the Noldor stole lands, took power, and displaced his own kind. Maeglin, also knowing of the Kinslaying, must have had his loyalties eroded, due to that.

Urwen 05-21-2019 01:33 PM

I came upon an interesting topic while browsing the forums. Do you think it would be easier for Idril, Tuor and co. to undermine him via political means and thus render him essentially powerless? Making him lose everything would have been far better pf a punishment than killing him, and more poetic too.

Inziladun 05-21-2019 02:05 PM

I think a possible downside of that strategy would have been Maeglin cottoning onto what they were about, and taking some proactive measures of his own.

Also: political intrigue? Speeches? Filibusters? Mr. Tuor Goes To Gondolin :D

Urwen 05-21-2019 02:14 PM

I doubt it. They hid the tunnel from him for a long time, so I doubt he'll know who is responsible for his loss of power either.

They could have pinned the blame onto someone else (Salgant, for example, spinning a tale how Salgant was always jealous of his power and thus sought to bring him down)

Urwen 05-22-2019 04:17 AM

No further comments on this?

Urwen 05-22-2019 09:11 AM

Well, then, I think there is nothing more to be said about this topic.

Urwen 05-23-2019 10:35 AM

An alternative tale of the fall of Gondolin and aftermath

Guess who doesn't die but is put in an artificial coma instead? :p

Urwen 05-23-2019 12:26 PM

What do you think of my story?

Urwen 05-24-2019 09:07 AM

Okay, apparently my stories are so horrible that they should be treated like plague. Either that, o people dislike reading about Maeglin because of how often I talk think about him. :p

Pervinca Took 05-24-2019 11:30 AM

I have just read it, and it's very well-written. I am not really emotionally attached to Maeglin, though.


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