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Originally Posted by ArcusCalion (Post 708994)

EPE-EX-21: I could not find your marker for 21, so I used the number for my comment. In this bit in the Names section:

This is wrong, as there are Sindarin names for almost all the Valar, except Nienna and Vana. (Ulmo = Ulu, Guiar, Gulma; Aule = Óli, Ôl; Yavanna = Ivon, Ivann; Mandos = Bannos; Lorien = Lúrin, Glurim; Este = Idh; Tulkas = Tulcus; Vaire = Gwîr; Nessa = Neth) In addition, we have stated that Orome told the Elves his given Valarin name of Aromez, which they simply changed to Orome /Araw. Should these other names be included? or should this passage be edited some other way at least to reflect their existence and the origin of the name of Orome?

This isn't wrong or contradictory. The footnote is specifically referring to which Valar the Sindar knew and what names they used for them prior to the return of the Noldor, and confirms that the Exiles adopted the Sindarin names that were already in use in Beleriand when speaking, but retained the Quenya names for the rest. Whatever names the Sindar came up with for the other Valar is not relevant to the point being made in this footnote.

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Originally Posted by Findegil (Post 709001)

I agree that we have to eliminate ‘(recalling the sound of his great horn)’ since that is contradicted by the story we have given at his arrival by the Elves.

I don't think this is a contradiction either. The footnote talks about how the Elves "made" a name for him in their Primitive Eldarin, which is supported by the 'Note on the Language of the Valar' in Quendi and Eldar, where we learn that Elves fit Valian names to their tongues by "reduction and alteration". Of Q Oromë < V Arǭmēz, we're told: "Pengolodh says that it was due to the association of the name with the native Q *rom, used of the sound of trumps or horns, seen in the Q name for the great horn of Oromë, the Vala-róma (also in Q romba ‘horn, trumpet’, S rom). ‘The Eldar,’ he says, ‘now take the name to signify “horn-blowing” or “horn-blower”; but to the Valar it had no such meaning."